Player Discussion Mitch Marner

[Niagara Bill]

A handful who talk about his dad or the puck over the glass years ago aren’t relevant.
Respected around the league and loved by his teammates trumps all that.

A handful who talk about his dad or the puck over the glass years ago aren’t relevant.
Respected around the league and loved by his teammates trumps all that.

It is not about like, it is about winning and many believe that even 99 points the 10.5m is wasted on a player than will never win. He lacks passion and desire to win in the face of powerful opposition. When the going gets tough...many smallish players Excell with leadership. Not Mitchy. His feet slowdown, his cuts come sooner, his circling comes farther from the net. Grez, Kane, Henry Richard, Keon, Gilmore, legs went faster. If he was paid 7m, he would be beloved, at 10.5 and more to come makes him a ķnown playoff disappointment career to date.

 

[Nineteen67]

A handful who talk about his dad or the puck over the glass years ago aren’t relevant.
Respected around the league and loved by his teammates trumps all that.

Rosehill, for example doesn’t talk about his Dad, he dislikes his style of play.

Not sure what you’re trying to trump.

 

[GoonieFace]

We are all fans and have our opinions. Some people just don’t think he has it in him to be a playoff performer, some people think he can do no wrong. One thing we can all agree on, is that he is super talented and we hope we can make a run

 

[Zybalto]

Marner in the playoffs the last 3 years:

Production:
Goals: 5 (4th on the team)
Assists: 21 (13 primary and 1st on the team by a mile) - 5th in the NHL for assists/GP over the last 3 playoffs.
Points: 26 (first on the team)

One of the best defensive forwards in the playoffs

5v5 Underlying Stats:
Shot Differential: 55.06
High Danger Chance Differential: 60.89
Expected Goal Differential: 59.38
Goal Differential: 65.98

Looking at the 55 forwards who have played at least 400 5v5 minutes over the last 3 playoffs, here are the top 5 standouts with the best numbers in the most important categories relative their teammates:

REL rankings:

Shot Differential:
1. Tkatchuk
2. Matthews
3. Bennet
4. Verhaeghe
5. Marner

High Danger Chance Differential:
1. Matthews
2. Marner
3. Tkatchuk
4. McDavid
5. Verhaeghe

Expected Goal Differential:
1. Matthews
2. Marner
3. Tkatchuk
4. McDavid
5. Verhaeghe

Goal Differential:
1. Marner
2. McDavid
3. MacKinnon
4. Danault
5. Verhaeghe

So Marner has led his team in points while being one of the best defensive forwards in the game while having numbers relative his teammates that are saying he has been one of the more valuable teammates on any playoff team in hockey the last 3 years.

Thats what the numbers are saying anyways......

 

[DarkKnight]

I think you're confusing Leaf fans with HFBoards. The small fraction that are on these boards don't represent the average fan.

People are fighting years long battles still, their insecurity of admitting they were wrong or waiting to jump on any instance to prove you're right, it's all just bush league. There are some really good critiques of him here, valid, fair. That said, look at the bash everything cadre, it's not really a group I'd want to be associated with, look who likes it, look who backs it up, it's the ECHL man children posse. I just laugh, or ignore, but man it's nothing to do with hockey really, it's a sad state of affairs. Circle jerk of nobodies, it's irrelevant.

Marner in the playoffs the last 3 years:

Production:
Goals: 5 (4th on the team)
Assists: 21 (13 primary and 1st on the team by a mile) - 5th in the NHL for assists/GP over the last 3 playoffs.
Points: 26 (first on the team)

One of the best defensive forwards in the playoffs

5v5 Underlying Stats:
Shot Differential: 55.06
High Danger Chance Differential: 60.89
Expected Goal Differential: 59.38
Goal Differential: 65.98

Looking at the 55 forwards who have played at least 400 5v5 minutes over the last 3 playoffs, here are the top 5 standouts with the best numbers in the most important categories relative their teammates:

REL rankings:

Shot Differential:
1. Tkatchuk
2. Matthews
3. Bennet
4. Verhaeghe
5. Marner

High Danger Chance Differential:
1. Matthews
2. Marner
3. Tkatchuk
4. McDavid
5. Verhaeghe

Expected Goal Differential:
1. Matthews
2. Marner
3. Tkatchuk
4. McDavid
5. Verhaeghe

Goal Differential:
1. Marner
2. McDavid
3. MacKinnon
4. Danault
5. Verhaeghe

So Marner has led his team in points while being one of the best defensive forwards in the game while having numbers relative his teammates that are saying he has been one of the more valuable teammates on any playoff team in hockey the last 3 years.

Thats what the numbers are saying anyways......

This.

 

[DarkKnight]

Rosehill, for example doesn’t talk about his Dad, he dislikes his style of play.

Not sure what you’re trying to trump. was a bum in the league, wonder what Doug Gilmour and Wayne Gretzky thing about Marner?

Rosehill was a bum though. Who do we give more weight too, some rant merchant trying to get some traction or a Doug Gilmour and Wayne Gretzky? I'll chose the latter for their Marner critiques thanks. And if we're playing that game, Marner is voted first and second team end of year all stars by hockey people. Who nominates Selkes, some guy with a Mark Hunter avatar here or someone who actually gets a paycheck for their perspective? Social media has a way of equalizing what really isn't equal. It's why my header says professional amateur, because I know I'm just some hack on a website.

16 will be retired, 16 will be bronzed, 16 will hold records. That isn't an accident or fan boy creation. He isn't perfect, but he's pretty special. Period.

 

[Nineteen67]

Rosehill was a bum though. Who do we give more weight too, some rant merchant trying to get some traction or a Doug Gilmour and Wayne Gretzky? I'll chose the latter for their Marner critiques thanks. And if we're playing that game, Marner is voted first and second team end of year all stars by hockey people. Who nominates Selkes, some guy with a Mark Hunter avatar here or someone who actually gets a paycheck for their perspective? Social media has a way of equalizing what really isn't equal. It's why my header says professional amateur, because I know I'm just some hack on a website.

16 will be retired, 16 will be bronzed, 16 will hold records. That isn't an accident or fan boy creation. He isn't perfect, but he's pretty special. Period.

Back to my original post, despite everything you mentioned there are Leafs fans that dislike him.

 

[DarkKnight]

Back to my original post, despite everything you mentioned there are Leafs fans that dislike him.

Sure, just not as many as the Astro turfing here suggests.

 

[Nineteen67]

We are all fans and have our opinions. Some people just don’t think he has it in him to be a playoff performer, some people think he can do no wrong. One thing we can all agree on, is that he is super talented and we hope we can make a run

I think he has one more chance. If he performs, great. If he chokes again then it get ugly.

 

[Craig Button]

Rosehill, for example doesn’t talk about his Dad, he dislikes his style of play.

Not sure what you’re trying to trump.

Rosehill?????

The neverwas was completely forgotten about until he mentioned Marner.

What’s next?

Andre Deveaux going online to say that William Nylander is too soft and needs to be traded.


Rosehill!!!!!?????

Lol!

Lol

Rosehill.

I needed to google him just to remember his first name Jay.

That’s how much a nobody he was

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

You keep Mitch and let Tavares walk. With Nylander and Marner we don't need an elite 2c, just a solid two way center who can put up 50 to 60 points. Or try willy or Mitch at canter because we have so many good young wingers coming up.

 

[notdoneyet]

Marner in the playoffs the last 3 years:

Production:
Goals: 5 (4th on the team)
Assists: 21 (13 primary and 1st on the team by a mile) - 5th in the NHL for assists/GP over the last 3 playoffs.
Points: 26 (first on the team)

One of the best defensive forwards in the playoffs

5v5 Underlying Stats:
Shot Differential: 55.06
High Danger Chance Differential: 60.89
Expected Goal Differential: 59.38
Goal Differential: 65.98

Looking at the 55 forwards who have played at least 400 5v5 minutes over the last 3 playoffs, here are the top 5 standouts with the best numbers in the most important categories relative their teammates:

REL rankings:

Shot Differential:
1. Tkatchuk
2. Matthews
3. Bennet
4. Verhaeghe
5. Marner

High Danger Chance Differential:
1. Matthews
2. Marner
3. Tkatchuk
4. McDavid
5. Verhaeghe

Expected Goal Differential:
1. Matthews
2. Marner
3. Tkatchuk
4. McDavid
5. Verhaeghe

Goal Differential:
1. Marner
2. McDavid
3. MacKinnon
4. Danault
5. Verhaeghe

So Marner has led his team in points while being one of the best defensive forwards in the game while having numbers relative his teammates that are saying he has been one of the more valuable teammates on any playoff team in hockey the last 3 years.

Thats what the numbers are saying anyways......

Please don’t post facts like that. Fake news. Everyone who watches knows those facts aren’t true.

What a joke of a thread
Mitch gets all the heat for our playoff performance but the fair haired boy nylander isn’t any better

 

[thewave]

Please don’t post facts like that. Fake news. Everyone who watches knows those facts aren’t true.

What a joke of a thread
Mitch gets all the heat for our playoff performance but the fair haired boy nylander isn’t any better

Unmitigated disaster in games 5 6 7. Folds like a cheap suit under pressure.

This team would be miles ahead with his cap being used for 2x legit top 4D. Nylander has consistency under pressure. Grab the games 5 6 7 data. Including penalty minutes etc on Marner.

 

[PromisedLand]

someone get Tavares to speak to Hossa and catch the glove allergy pronto ffs

 

[Jojalu]

I am surprised that Nylander still has more assists than Marner so far this year.

Matthews is on fire and plays with Mitch almost always, while JT and Bertuzzi are having a terrible time finishing.

I still think Mitch will catch and pass Willy by the end of the year, but if this is a down year for him, it's still pretty good

 

[ULF_55]

I am surprised that Nylander still has more assists than Marner so far this year.

Matthews is on fire and plays with Mitch almost always, while JT and Bertuzzi are having a terrible time finishing.

I still think Mitch will catch and pass Willy by the end of the year, but if this is a down year for him, it's still pretty good

I like the 3 Headed Monster

Matthews
Nylander
marner

Shooter
Shooter-Passer
Passer-Shooter

Only one can play with the MVP though.

 

[Gabriel426]

With MM is that when the pressure is on and everything is against the Leafs. He had shown nothing to rise to the occasion and put the team on his shoulders….
Now to be fair, I don’t think AM, JT and Willie had done it too. Reilly is the only player who had done it.
And this is not just MM but the team as a whole. Their post series/season interviews were never we did bad or could had done better but rather we did everything right but whatever the reasons like injuries or opposing goalies or whatever.

Hope this will change this playoffs.

 

[Budz22]

This thread in a nutshell:

1. Mitch Marner is shit.

2. No he is not shit.

3.
Mitch Marner took a shit this morning.
*Liked by ACC1224*

 

[Roo]

Great player, but we can all see that he takes too much risk in the game because he gets away with it often. This means come playoff time the good teams will exploit your weakness. I think playing with Matthews has brought out the best and worst in him. That said, I’ve always really liked him since his days in London before we drafted him. The vision was so obvious.

Personally, I’d like to see him play with Matthews only on the PP. He can drive a line on it’s own, and has the defensive game to play on a very dangerous checking line in the playoffs.

 

[Antropovsky]

"He was unbelievable back there quite honestly". Keefe

Also on pace for 98 points, man I hate this guy...or is really deep down my "life"? Hmmmm.

You're excited that an 11 million dollar player, playing with a 11.5 million dollar center is pacing less than 100 point season again? Jeesh.

Meanwhile 9.5 million Kucherov is already at 94 points and has 32 points more than Marner.

Aren't we so lucky that our player, making 1.5 million more than Kucherov is pacing 98 points ! If we are really lucky, Marner will manage to break 100 points this year for the very first time in his career.

 

[RunItBackAgain]

I’ve noticed a bit more edge to his game recently, glad to see it. Just bring it Mitch and all will be forgiven

Ya he had a few really nice physical plays last night on the forecheck. And it’s exactly what you said. If this core does manage to bring the cup home no one will say a bad word again. Everyone gets a statue, endorsement deals, and eats free until they die.

 

[frizzer1]

Marner is one of the best 2 way players in the league.
He’s had some good playoff years and some not so good.
Last year he disappointed me .. I thought he was hurt but he wasn’t.
I think that if some other players step up and take off the pressure he might get it going.
Matthews is fine in the playoffs.
Nylander’s numbers look good but the guy really doesn’t compete in the tough areas.
Rielly is a money player and really is a star in the playoffs.

 

[ACC1224]

With MM is that when the pressure is on and everything is against the Leafs. He had shown nothing to rise to the occasion and put the team on his shoulders….
Now to be fair, I don’t think AM, JT and Willie had done it too. Reilly is the only player who had done it.
And this is not just MM but the team as a whole. Their post series/season interviews were never we did bad or could had done better but rather we did everything right but whatever the reasons like injuries or opposing goalies or whatever.

Hope this will change this playoffs.

Should have seen him carry London to the Mem Cup, not many have had a junior season like that one. Hopefully we see the same here one day.

 

[Antropovsky]

Marner in the playoffs the last 3 years:

Production:
Goals: 5 (4th on the team)
Assists: 21 (13 primary and 1st on the team by a mile) - 5th in the NHL for assists/GP over the last 3 playoffs.
Points: 26 (first on the team)

One of the best defensive forwards in the playoffs

5v5 Underlying Stats:
Shot Differential: 55.06
High Danger Chance Differential: 60.89
Expected Goal Differential: 59.38
Goal Differential: 65.98

Looking at the 55 forwards who have played at least 400 5v5 minutes over the last 3 playoffs, here are the top 5 standouts with the best numbers in the most important categories relative their teammates:

REL rankings:

Shot Differential:
1. Tkatchuk
2. Matthews
3. Bennet
4. Verhaeghe
5. Marner

High Danger Chance Differential:
1. Matthews
2. Marner
3. Tkatchuk
4. McDavid
5. Verhaeghe

Expected Goal Differential:
1. Matthews
2. Marner
3. Tkatchuk
4. McDavid
5. Verhaeghe

Goal Differential:
1. Marner
2. McDavid
3. MacKinnon
4. Danault
5. Verhaeghe

So Marner has led his team in points while being one of the best defensive forwards in the game while having numbers relative his teammates that are saying he has been one of the more valuable teammates on any playoff team in hockey the last 3 years.

Thats what the numbers are saying anyways......

How many of these don't rely on quality of linemates? Here's a good article showing Marners stats relative to the other core 4 from last year's playoffs. Let me know your thoughts @Zybalto

Weiterleitungshinweis

Marner’s “portion of shots from the slot” percentage was last on the Leafs in the playoffs by over 10 per cent.

It’s also tough to make sense of Matthews’ dried-up point totals, but what really dropped were his primary assists, which went from 1.16 (per 60) to 0.48. Hindsight is 20/20, but seeing how far Marner was living from the net in the above stats, and that Calle Jarnkrok was on Matthews’ left side, maybe it would’ve been tough to tally many points on passes.

Matthews looked off at times this season compared to the previous year’s standard. And it wasn’t just his inner slot shot pace, or primary assists that dropped in the playoffs, it was his shots per 60 in general. With that, I think it’s a fair criticism of the coach that the team went down with Matthews and Marner tied together to the very end, despite the fact that there was only a primary assist between the two just twice in the playoffs, at all strengths.

 

[RunItBackAgain]

Haven’t we been over these stats like a bajillion times now? Hopefully Magic Mitch shows up this playoffs.