Player Discussion Mitch Marner

[Martin Skoula]

Mitch should just play and stop saying this stuff to the media:

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/toronto-maple-leafs/latest-news/you-guys-are-not-kind-to-some-people-sometimes-as-mitch-marner-returns-to-action-for-the-maple-leafs-its-time-he-puts-less-focus-on-what-the-media-thinks

I don’t understand how he keeps doing this and refuses to learn every time it backfires, he’s not a rookie with hurt feelings and no media training.

 

[Notsince67]

Sign him. Without a no trade clause

Sure. They could do it but it might cost them.

 

[ULF_55]

Mitch should just play and stop saying this stuff to the media:

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/toronto-maple-leafs/latest-news/you-guys-are-not-kind-to-some-people-sometimes-as-mitch-marner-returns-to-action-for-the-maple-leafs-its-time-he-puts-less-focus-on-what-the-media-thinks

Yes.

He isn't going to change how bad media is today.
The media is garbage and it is fueled by social media.
That lies are reported without being challenged will be our downfall.

Now if all his teammates took the same stance perhaps there would be changes.

He should take Nancy's advice and "just say no" comment to the media.

 

[sxvnert]

I don’t understand how he keeps doing this and refuses to learn every time it backfires, he’s not a rookie with hurt feelings and no media training.

Hes thinks he'll win the battle vs media and underestimates how petty the "journalists" are. Only winning will get the fans on your side and the media off your back.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Yes.

He isn't going to change how bad media is today.
The media is garbage and it is fueled by social media.
That lies are reported without being challenged will be our downfall.

Now if all his teammates took the same stance perhaps there would be changes.

He should take Nancy's advice and "just say no" comment to the media.

Alter could have done a bit better but Samsonov did truly suck for a long stretch of this season.

Is sports kind? No.

You're in the NHL though and if you're not playing well, things will be said.

Samsonov is compensated extremely well for the hassle.

Simmons and Cox in their prime were a lot worse to deal with compared to anything that's out there today.

 

[sxvnert]

Since Marner has a full NMC contract trading him possibility is slim to none even if there was a trade available.

However Marner is a UFA come July 1st 2025 as is say Victor Hedman at the same time.

Cap space and positional reallocation is available by more means then just a trade.

Marner at 8yr/12.5aav is a lock. No point of even speculating otherwise.

Its obvious the future of this team will be built around the core three: Matthews, Marner, Nylander. Tavares @ 11m is the only factor preventing this team from taking that next step.

 

[ToneDog]

Marner at 8yr/12.5aav is a lock. No point of even speculating otherwise.

Its obvious the future of this team will be built around the core three: Matthews, Marner, Nylander. Tavares @ 11m is the only factor preventing this team from taking that next step.

Shanny is going to die on that hill and take everybody else with him. If that is the plan they better hit on the UFAs they use Tavares' money on and bring in a coach with a fresh set of ideas.

 

[Mess]

Where’s Matthews stats? Didn’t he have a goose egg that series

Marner certainly wasn't alone in determining Leafs failure but AM is already re-signed and one of the best goal scorers on the planet.

William Nylander continues to improve and is also already re-signed long-term.

If the Leafs finally realize that too much cap is invested in too few forwards at the expense of other positions and depth then Marner is the one with the expiring contract that would allow change to occur.,

 

[sxvnert]

Shanny is going to die on that hill and take everybody else with him. If that is the plan they better hit on the UFAs they use Tavares' money on and bring in a coach with a fresh set of ideas.

At the very least spread the money out throughout the lineup.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Mitch should just play and stop saying this stuff to the media:

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/toronto-maple-leafs/latest-news/you-guys-are-not-kind-to-some-people-sometimes-as-mitch-marner-returns-to-action-for-the-maple-leafs-its-time-he-puts-less-focus-on-what-the-media-thinks

Wouldn’t be a Marner interview without a whine about media and sometimes even the fans.

Not sure why he is so fixated on taking shots like this every time he’s asked a question.

 

[Legion34]

A trade is his to request. Any mention of a "I'd trade him" sure doesn't sound like that kind of request.

Not exactly. The team can absolutely shop his services and get a trade and see if he agrees

Or can say “here is as far as we are going…. If you aren’t signing here is there somewhere you want to go?”

The team doesn’t just have to sit on its hands and wait to see if he signs a contract or lose him for nothing.

Considering how fragile he appears the idea that he would be willing to face the media every day or come back to Toronto after going “full Tavares” is pretty far fetched

 

[keonsbitterness]

Marner certainly wasn't alone in determining Leafs failure but AM is already re-signed and one of the best goal scorers on the planet.

William Nylander continues to improve and is also already re-signed long-term.

If the Leafs finally realize that too much cap is invested in too few forwards at the expense of other positions and depth then Marner is the one with the expiring contract that would allow change to occur.,

Is there really anything to indicate the Leafs will do anything other than re-sign him?

 

[Mess]

Marner at 8yr/12.5aav is a lock. No point of even speculating otherwise.

Its obvious the future of this team will be built around the core three: Matthews, Marner, Nylander. Tavares @ 11m is the only factor preventing this team from taking that next step.

Granted its a given that regardless of the results the plan will remain the same.

It would be naive to believe otherwise in fact.

Despite all the previous failure, this will be the plan until it succeeds or illegitimately ends in failure and a new decade of new Leafs are brought in when this group ages out.

I've already come to that acceptance that winning the Cup is not the #1 priority at any cost, but rather entertainment with a possibility of success. as $$$ profits roll is the status quo.

I have no doubts Marner will be re-signed, and along with Matthews will be again among the highest paid players in the game at the expense of the Stanley Cup.

 

[francis246]

Shanny is going to die on that hill and take everybody else with him. If that is the plan they better hit on the UFAs they use Tavares' money on and bring in a coach with a fresh set of ideas.

Keeping the stars was never the issue. It was that Dubas and the pro scouting and amateur scouting department is just really dumb and made the wrong bets on people.

Transactions:
Letting go of McCann in favour of Kerfoot and Holl was a huge mistake.

Trading Kadri while he was on a value contract with 3 years left was a huge mistake.

Hyman (I’ll say in hindsight was a mistake, you should have given him the trade protection or extra year he wanted)

Marchment for Malgin

Overpaying Johnsson and Kapanen

Trading a first with Marleau


Drafting:
Not taking Konecny and trading down to select guys who wouldn’t play

Dermott over Carlo


Then some just leafy bad luck
Muzzin’s back is destroyed
Anderson injured before playoffs
Tavares injured in playoffs
Samsonov injured in playoffs


A lot of the Leafs mis fortune is directly related to decisions outside of the core 4. Being able to keep the core 3 players leafs for as long as they have been able to is about the only thing they’ve done right. But they have missed on every other transaction.

 

[francis246]

Shanny is going to die on that hill and take everybody else with him. If that is the plan they better hit on the UFAs they use Tavares' money on and bring in a coach with a fresh set of ideas.

It’s quite clear the plan is a two year plan.

This off-season the defense is going to be rebuilt. Outside of Rielly, McCabe, Benoit and Timmins no one else has contracts. I expect Timmins to be hopefully moved for picks in next years draft (2025).

Next off-season Tavares’ cap will be reallocated to either goaltending or defense. It’s very clear they are waiting for that money to come off the books to make a splash. If they really want a change you could walk away from Marner. But I think 8-9 million of Tavares’ contract will be reallocated. There is zero percent chance Tavares is a leaf and making over $5 million. I think the O’Reilly deal is a fair comparison, but I do think Tavares takes a team friendly discount to stay.

 

[ULF_55]

Simmons and Cox in their prime were a lot worse to deal with compared to anything that's out there today.

You mention 2 (Simmons and Cox) now it is 2 dozen, and they have no rules applied. Stretching truths would be an improvement.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

I’m just stirring the pot.

I know he’s staying, I know he’s going to be paid, I know sign and trade isn’t possible cuz he’ll get a NMC.

I know there is no way out of this unbalanced mess.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Marner certainly wasn't alone in determining Leafs failure but AM is already re-signed and one of the best goal scorers on the planet.

William Nylander continues to improve and is also already re-signed long-term.

If the Leafs finally realize that too much cap is invested in too few forwards at the expense of other positions and depth then Marner is the one with the expiring contract that would allow change to occur.,

I would say Tavares is the first one. Marner only if they decide that even three at $11+, particularly those three, is too much.

 

[Mr_Fun]

Not the stuff legends are made of tonight, but it was nice to get Marner back on the ice.

 

[Antropovsky]

Mitch should just play and stop saying this stuff to the media:

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/toronto-maple-leafs/latest-news/you-guys-are-not-kind-to-some-people-sometimes-as-mitch-marner-returns-to-action-for-the-maple-leafs-its-time-he-puts-less-focus-on-what-the-media-thinks

This guy just can't let it go lol. The media hasn't even been that bad... he just needs to stop liking himself so much and stop reading about himself on social media. Even back when asked about Matthews scoring 50 goals, the first thing he does is turn the discussion to himself ... "i think you saw it, the first 3 or 4 shifts i was trying to get him it, I'm probably going to get yelled at for not shooting a couple of those..."

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Thought he looked fine in his first game back and with new linemates. Enough time for him to get fully acclimatized before the playoffs.

 

[wingman75]

Is it weird that I hate Mitch and I love Mitch at the same time?

 

[LeafEgo]

That saucer pass for McMann was so Marner, it's like he lands that perfectly in his sleep.

 

[DarkKnight]

It was the two times he won a puck in our end to clear the blue line in the dying minutes that I missed.

 

[myleafs]

I think Domi is a bit better on the forecheck.

I liked the idea of;

McMann-JT-88
Knies-Holmberg-Marner

We complained that the kid line was getting exposed defensively a bit, Marner helps with that.

no thank you