Player Discussion Mitch Marner

[Notsince67]

Wonder what "big" is though.....can't be more than Matthews can it? Somewhere between Matthews and Nylander?????

13 roster spots taken next year, not including Marner, with 19.2 M available.....so he signs for say 12M AAv....that is 14 roster spots, with 7M to fill out the remaining 7 spots....? keeping mind Robertson, Dewar and Liljegren are on expiring RFA deals this season...... and 5 D signed

Pridham going to have to do some crazy gymnastics!

I dunno. Whatever it is, someone will complain it is too much. We have Sammy to think about. Kingberg and Murray is gone. Broadie likely gone. JT contract up. Cap going up. There are a lot of pieces to play with and some young guys who can move up.

 

[Nineteen67]

If you think a decision that big is up to Tre…

No chance he can decide if Mitch stays or goes. That is up to Shanny and Mitch.

If the GM has no say then they gave bigger issues.

Also, if Marner has another bad playoff and they lose in round one, Shanny may not be around to offer an opinion.

 

[Nineteen67]

The decision was made once the window to trade any of these players closed.

They’re hoping everything turns out and Marner gets over playoff fears, but if he doesn't, then what? What if he takes a step back?

 

[Zybalto]

What team is giving Marner $100m on a 7 year deal if the Leafs allow him to walk? The guy is on a 16.4 goal pace in 50 playoff games. Barely can score a PP goal in the playoffs. One lousy PPG in 50 payoff games while playing top PP minutes. If the Leafs do they are overpaying again like they did Willy. Nobody was paying Willy $92m on a 7 year deal but the Leafs had to mid season and could not dig in. #Insanity.

With the covid freeze over and business back to usual, I would expect the closest comparable to a Marner UFA would probably be that of Panarin who had a host of potential suitors banging down his door.

Panarin's accolades:
Calder trophy
1x NHL second team all star
80 point regular season pace over his 4 years in the NHL to that point (he came in real late)
26 points in 27 playoff games

Outcome: 11.6 x 7 for the 27 year old



Looking at Marner's accolades over the same time period (minus these last few games and playoffs):
2x NHL first team all star
Selke nomination
100+ regular season pace
26 points in 25 playoff games

Outcome: ? for the 27 year old

I know theres still a year left to decide but if it were happening this season, how much would Marner get as a UFA?

Cap is also up from 81.5 to 87.5 million for the year in question.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

They’re hoping everything turns out and Marner gets over playoff fears, but if he doesn't, then what? What if he takes a step back?

Our management team should be doing their basic due diligence to consider all avenues with Marner. Will he waive for a few teams, and if so what offers exist and compare it to the value of an extension

It's been a frustrating few years because it feels like we're just extending dudes stubbornly and any other outcome can't possibly be better than what we have despite overwhelming evidence

 

[Nineteen67]

Our management team should be doing their basic due diligence to consider all avenues with Marner. Will he waive to a few teams, and if so what offers exist and compare it to the value of an extension

It's been a frustrating few years because it feels like we're just extending dudes stubbornly and any other outcome can't possibly be better than what we have despite overwhelmed evidence

They are evaluating, everyday.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Good to have Marner coming back, just hope he isn't rushing himself.

I'd rather have him at 100% for game 1.

 

[Gary Nylund]

They are evaluating, everyday.

What makes you so sure?

Good to have Marner coming back, just hope he isn't rushing himself.

I'd rather have him at 100% for game 1.

I assume he's 100%. Despite all the dumb things we've seen this team do, they can't be that dumb. Yeah I know, famous last words, perhaps I'll change my statement to say I assume that they're not that dumb. Here's hoping.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Think that was pretty obvious that Marner would be slotted in with Tavares on his return.

I'm good with it. Marner (and everyone else) trying to force plays to Matthews is way too predictable.

Domi can fill much the same role offensively at least, and this way maybe Marner will shoot the puck occasionally to keep the opposition honest about not always cheating towards pass on him. As an added bonus, maybe he can get some production out of Tavares.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I'm good with it. Marner (and everyone else) trying to force plays to Matthews is way too predictable.

Domi can fill much the same role offensively at least, and this way maybe Marner will shoot the puck occasionally to keep the opposition honest about not always cheating towards pass on him. As an added bonus, maybe he can get some production out of Tavares.

I think Domi is a bit better on the forecheck.

I liked the idea of;

McMann-JT-88
Knies-Holmberg-Marner

We complained that the kid line was getting exposed defensively a bit, Marner helps with that.

 

[BraveCanadian]

I think Domi is a bit better on the forecheck.

Not sure about that but Domi is definitely way worse defensively and makes some passes that are so risky even Marner wouldn't try them... that said he's a plenty good enough setup man to fill that role and let the Leafs spread some scoring through the lineup.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Not sure about that but Domi is definitely way worse defensively and makes some passes that are so risky even Marner wouldn't try them... that said he's a plenty good enough setup man to fill that role and let the Leafs spread some scoring through the lineup.

I thought as the series went along in Florida last year, Marner somehow got it into his head he needed to be more flashy and started to make some pretty stupid giveaways. Marner at his best does make simpler plays.

Marner is definitely superior to Domi defensively but for the purposes of spreading the talent around, it is worth checking out. I still like this group the best;

Bertuzzi-Matthews-Domi
McMann-JT-88
Knies-Holmberg-Marner
Dewar-Kampf-Jarnkrok

Rielly-Lybushkin
Benoit-McCabe
Edmundson-Liljegren

Adapt from there.

 

[ToneDog]

With the covid freeze over and business back to usual, I would expect the closest comparable to a Marner UFA would probably be that of Panarin who had a host of potential suitors banging down his door.

Panarin's accolades:
Calder trophy
1x NHL second team all star
80 point regular season pace over his 4 years in the NHL to that point (he came in real late)
26 points in 27 playoff games

Outcome: 11.6 x 7 for the 27 year old



Looking at Marner's accolades over the same time period (minus these last few games and playoffs):
2x NHL first team all star
Selke nomination
100+ regular season pace
26 points in 25 playoff games

Outcome: ? for the 27 year old

I know theres still a year left to decide but if it were happening this season, how much would Marner get as a UFA?

Cap is also up from 81.5 to 87.5 million for the year in question.

I'd say something around the Nylander deal is fair but he will get more. Like somebody else said today, the problem is the combination of 3-4 players making a large chunk of the money. Add that they have won nothing in 7 playoffs, and sorry they do not deserve to be paid what they are being paid IMO. Of course if you want to keep the fans happy, go ahead and pay them every cent you want but you are never winning a cup IMO.

 

[Sypher04]

Looking forward to getting Marner back into our special teams and getting more reps there to prepare for the playoffs.

In 12 games since acquiring Dewar and Edmundson (11 of which missing Marner) our PK has been 13th in the league which is a huge improvement and a necessity we keep improving if we’re going to go anywhere this spring.

The PP has been something like 10% the last while which is pretty dismal so Mitch should help. I think the powerplay coaching has been utter shit most of the season tbh and our efficiency rate for the season is just brute force based on our talent

 

[I am Canadian]

I thought as the series went along in Florida last year, Marner somehow got it into his head he needed to be more flashy and started to make some pretty stupid giveaways. Marner at his best does make simpler plays.

Marner is definitely superior to Domi defensively but for the purposes of spreading the talent around, it is worth checking out. I still like this group the best;

Bertuzzi-Matthews-Domi
McMann-JT-88
Knies-Holmberg-Marner
Dewar-Kampf-Jarnkrok

Rielly-Lybushkin
Benoit-McCabe
Edmundson-Liljegren

Adapt from there.

I'd switch Marner & Nylander. JT and Nylander doesn't work, and we know Marner and him do.

 

[Sypher04]

I'd switch Marner & Nylander. JT and Nylander doesn't work, and we know Marner and him do.

I think we have extended samples of both combinations working and not working tbh

 

[HamiltonNHL]

If the upcoming Marner contract has a No Trade Clause it's a sure sign winning anything isnt the goal.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I'd switch Marner & Nylander. JT and Nylander doesn't work, and we know Marner and him do.

I think we have extended samples of both combinations working and not working tbh

Marner at the very least would probably insulate JT defensively, if you're planning on rolling the top 2 lines more minutes in the playoffs, that probably helps.

Knies-Holmberg-88 might be a touch better defensively than if Robertson remains....but Nylander probably has the ability to torch the opposition if he's not facing their best defenseman.

 

[BraveCanadian]

If the upcoming Marner contract has a No Trade Clause it's a sure sign winning anything isnt the goal.

Why would he be the only one to not get a NMC? And give it up after having it on his current contract?

Weird take.. the ship sailed a long time ago for this bunch to get what they want..

 

[ACC1224]

If the upcoming Marner contract has a No Trade Clause it's a sure sign winning anything isnt the goal.

Can you expand on that?

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Can you expand on that?

Tomato sauce $1, Cheese $1.
If you try to make a pizza, but you only have 10 bucks, spending $8 for the best dough isn't a winning strategy. The result is a cheese pizza.

buy the $5 dough, and you have $1 for pepperoni, $1 for ham, $1 for bacon.
= Canadian Pizza.

 

[Zybalto]

I'd say something around the Nylander deal is fair but he will get more. Like somebody else said today, the problem is the combination of 3-4 players making a large chunk of the money. Add that they have won nothing in 7 playoffs, and sorry they do not deserve to be paid what they are being paid IMO. Of course if you want to keep the fans happy, go ahead and pay them every cent you want but you are never winning a cup IMO.

Not really thinking of fair more thinking of what he might get on the open market (which is rarely fair).

Marner being a step above Nylander in pretty much every area except for goal scoring hurts the chances he'll get paid the same. The fact Nylander got a contract that high (man do the Leafs get screwed with players having great contract years) means Marner will get higher and Marner could make even more as an UFA IMO.

I mean he's at a 33 goal 100 point pace again this season and his D numbers are top of the league in the 2nd half.

The crazy combination of production and top end D makes him a gamechanger for any team including ours. Happy to have him back. Maybe the downtime from the injury even did him good he has some games to get back up to speed and will be flying for the playoffs with far less wear and tear from not playing much of the stretch.

 

[Zybalto]

Tomato sauce $1, Cheese $1.
If you try to make a pizza, but you only have 10 bucks, spending $8 for the best dough isn't a winning strategy. The result is a cheese pizza.

buy the $5 dough, and you have $1 for pepperoni, $1 for ham, $1 for bacon.
= Canadian Pizza.

What happens when everything been prepped for the big pizza contest and the other ingredients instantly spoil but a large amount of people keep blaming the dough. The cheese is especially egregious as its been taken out of the contest entirely in favor of a different cheese on numerous occasions due to its foulness but we decide to use it on the pizza again. The toppings also fail to retain their flavor in comparison to pre-contest cooking expos and are completely outshone by other pizzas despite costing the same amount.

OK, this is just silly but Im trying.....

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

What happens when everything been prepped for the big pizza contest and the other ingredients instantly spoil but a large amount of people keep blaming the dough. The cheese is especially egregious as its been taken out of the contest entirely in favor of a different cheese on numerous occasions due to its foulness but we decide to use it on the pizza again. The toppings also fail to retain their flavor in comparison to pre-contest cooking expos and are completely outshone by other pizzas despite costing the same amount.

OK, this is just silly but Im trying.....

Management is sensitive to gluten but can eat all the dairy they want.

 

[ToneDog]

Tomato sauce $1, Cheese $1.
If you try to make a pizza, but you only have 10 bucks, spending $8 for the best dough isn't a winning strategy. The result is a cheese pizza.

buy the $5 dough, and you have $1 for pepperoni, $1 for ham, $1 for bacon.
= Canadian Pizza.

Problem is Shanny shops at Loblaws who will overcharge him for the Tomato sauce, Cheese, dough and peperoni, so he won't be able to afford the ham and bacon, and he'll end up with a cheese pizza.

The Panthers and Lightning will buy their ingredients at Publix and with their $10, will end up with two party size Deluxe Pizzas.