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Patrick Kane vs Chris Chelios

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Who is the better player

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Felidae

Felidae

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2 of the greatest American born players of all time, but who was better? Consider everything from peak, prime, longevity, etc.



Chris Chelios

Award finishes
Norris: 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 6, 6, 6, 8, 12
Hart: 5, 7, 10, 17

Defenseman scoring finishes
Points: 4, 4, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9, 10


Patrick Kane

Award finishes
Hart: 1, 6, 6, 7, 8, 15, 17
1 Conn Smythe

Points
2009-10 NHL 88 (9th)
2012-13 NHL 55 (5th)
2015-16 NHL 106 (1st)
2016-17 NHL 89 (2nd)
2018-19 NHL 110 (3rd)
2019-20 NHL 84 (8th)
2020-21 NHL 66 (5th)

PPG
2012-13 NHL 1.17 (4th)
2014-15 NHL 1.05 (4th)
2015-16 NHL 1.29 (1st)
2016-17 NHL 1.09 (5th)
2018-19 NHL 1.36 (3rd)
2019-20 NHL 1.20 (10th)
2020-21 NHL 1.18 (9th)

Goals
2012-13 NHL 23 (5th)
2015-16 NHL 46 (2nd)
2016-17 NHL 34 (10th)
2018-19 NHL 44 (5th)

GPG
2012-13 NHL 0.49 (7th)
2015-16 NHL 0.56 (2nd)
2018-19 NHL 0.54 (8th)
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Kane's 2016 season is probably the best one between them, but I'd go with Chelios for prime and career. He was a pain to play against and was good offensively in his best years.
 
If you think the answer is Kane you are wrong and too young. You only watched him on the Wings after he already had first ballot HHOF career.

Look at Chelios' Norris finishes. 1,1,1,2,2,3

This is against very tough competition. Bourque, Leetch. Macinnis. Coffey. Lidstrom.
 
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895 said:
If you think the answer is Kane you are wrong and too young. You only watched him on the Wings after he already had first ballot HHOF career.

Look at Chelios' Norris finishes. 1,1,1,2,2,3

This is against very tough competition. Bourque, Leetch. Macinnis. Coffey. Lidstrom.
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I'd have to assume people who voted for Kane place heavy emphasis on peak play, but would be interested to hear arguments from Kane voters
 
Felidae said:
I'd have to assume people who voted for Kane place heavy emphasis on peak play, but would be interested to hear arguments from Kane voters
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I mentioned this in the last Kane poll I responded in, but why is peak generally synonymous just with points?
 
Felidae said:
I'd have to assume people who voted for Kane place heavy emphasis on peak play, but would be interested to hear arguments from Kane voters
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Despite those two games against Vancouver back in 1995, I never went into an overtime situation thinking "it's okay we have Chelios."

I always had that feeling with Kane. He would just find a way to win it.
(unless he got beat to it by Seabrook or Toews)
 
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Ace Card Bedard said:
Despite those two games against Vancouver back in 1995, I never went into an overtime situation thinking "it's okay we have Chelios."

I always had that feeling with Kane. He would just find a way to win it.
(unless he got beat to it by Seabrook or Toews)
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This is kind of the one thing with Kane that kind of makes some comparisons difficult. There was just a feeling that he would make something happen when it was needed that went beyond what his traditional numbers were. Usually I tend to shy away from the “clutch” narrative and maybe that’s just variance and circumstance, but it happened a lot.
 
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Regal said:
This is kind of the one thing with Kane that kind of makes some comparisons difficult. There was just a feeling that he would make something happen when it was needed that went beyond what his traditional numbers were. Usually I tend to shy away from the “clutch” narrative and maybe that’s just variance and circumstance, but it happened a lot.
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Chelios was the kind of guy that would crosscheck his mother into traffic if it meant winning a game. And I'm talking moreso his pre-Wing days than as a Wing he was a shadow of himself at that stage but still a rock #2.
 
norrisnick said:
I mentioned this in the last Kane poll I responded in, but why is peak generally synonymous just with points?
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I think it's moreso Kane absolutely dominated the Art Ross and Hart competition in 2015-16 year.

Chelios won 2 of his Norris trophies by a clear margin and I'm generally one who thinks defenseman deserve more consideration for the Hart..

But could you say Chelios was the best player in the league during any of his Norris wins? Even removing Gretzky and Lemieux from the equation.
 
Felidae said:
I think it's moreso Kane absolutely dominated the Art Ross and Hart competition in 2015-16 year.

Chelios won 2 of his Norris trophies by a clear margin and I'm generally one who thinks defenseman deserve more consideration for the Hart..

But could you say Chelios was the best player in the league during any of his Norris wins? Even removing Gretzky and Lemieux from the equation.
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As much as I'd be willing to claim Kane was definitively the best player in the league? Yeah.
 
Felidae said:
Who do you think was better than Kane in 2015-16? I don't think I've ever heard anyone argue against him being the best that season..
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I fundamentally disagree with just having a blanket decree of highest scorer = best player. Especially a scorer that provides absolutely nothing else to the game.

So a Doughty (one of the closest to Chelios throwbacks in recent years), Kopitar, Holtby, pick one of the pack of scorers in the 80s that are a bit more well-rounded. Could it have been Kane? Maybe, but it's not a slam-dunk.
 
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Kane was better at his best, but I'd take Chelios based on what he delivered more consistently, a more impactful player overall.
 
Kane peak, chelios prime.

Who is the better player?

I’m not really that sure but I’m leaning toward chelios.
 
Chelios.

A great skater and all-around player. Many forwards who played against him believe he was the best and toughest-to-play-against defenseman they ever faced in their careers.

Quite an athletic specimen.
 
bobholly39 said:
Chelios, not really close.

Patrick Kane had a great career, and particularly was great in playoffs, but he slowed down a lot pretty young. That's really going to hurt his longevity and all-time rankings.
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Pretty young?

He had a 90+ point season his 33 year old season.

His 35 year old season he was almost a PPG coming back from an injury no one has comeback from.

If he can remain healthly he might still get 1500 career points....his longevity isn't something that would be used against him I'd think

Anyways, Chelios is borderline top 10 D of all time
 
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Prime Chris Chelios would cross check prime Kane in the face, collect the puck and rush it up ice. Then he’d set up someone in the slot for a goal.
 
Felidae said:
Who do you think was better than Kane in 2015-16? I don't think I've ever heard anyone argue against him being the best that season..
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Kane had the best regular season but Crosby was the best player that year, especially taking into account that he tried for about 20 minutes total in the first 30 games that season to get the coach fired.
 
To me this is clearly Chelios. He was skilled and tough and just nasty to play against. He was 37 when he went to Detroit and still put in almost a decade more of solid seasons. He was the runner-up for the Norris at 40 ahead of prime Pronger and Blake. He was probably a modern Earl Seibert.
 
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