Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[francis246]

Marner loves being in the spotlight...he's always trying to be in it. He also, literally said he loves being treated like a god.

He just also has very thin skin.

I’m sure an element of that is true. Especially to sign extensions in Toronto, but I think at some point it will run its course. I do think many fans will get what they want. I think Marner will walk. There will be opportunity in UFA to get paid and maybe try a new situation.

4 nations probably hurts his case to make 13 million + IMO. But he can still get a decent contract in UFA. I wouldn’t rule out a Carolina or Edmonton as possible destinations. Especially if he’s willing to sign a short term deal. I think Edmonton will try and take a run at one of Marner/Rantanen

 

[arso40]

I’m sure an element of that is true. Especially to sign extensions in Toronto, but I think at some point it will run its course. I do think many fans will get what they want. I think Marner will walk. There will be opportunity in UFA to get paid and maybe try a new situation.

4 nations probably hurts his case to make 13 million + IMO. But he can still get a decent contract in UFA. I wouldn’t rule out a Carolina or Edmonton as possible destinations. Especially if he’s willing to sign a short term deal. I think Edmonton will try and take a run at one of Marner/Rantanen

He could still get 13 m I just hope it’s not with us Chicago would give it to him San Jose would give it to him along with a couple other teams I’m sure I think we’d do it too but I hope not

 

[hamzarocks]

Matthews blends into a physical playoff game. He's in the physical areas and the front of the net, he's throwing big hits, he can play the boards and cycle the puck.

Marner...as I'm sure Cooper and Team Canada quickly realized... does not invest emotionally or physically to important games. Mcdavid (and everyone else to some degree) is out there finishing hits, going hard to the net and crosschecking players after whistles. Marner meanwhile, is stick lifting and avoiding all physical areas of the ice.

The difference between cup winners Point and Strome was evident on Mcdavids line. Both are crashing the net on all the plays and they are going to the net too. Marner never does, he's always hanging back in an open area.

Hoping Marner is learning a valuable lesson from the 4nations, that Berube and Keefe before him... knew what they are talking about when they keep harping on him to go to the f*$%ing net.

Marner hopefully is out of the equation and can f*** off from the team

But you cant pretend Matthews has been worth his deal and been a premier elite player for us come playoffs.

He has had very poor series vs boston 2018, MTL 2021, and FLR 2023.

Been good vs Boston 2019, WSH 2017 and CBJ 2020

Been avg vs Bos 2024

Been elite vs Tampa 2022 and 2023

He just doesnt produce like a tier 1 top 5 player in the world in the playoffs. That is on him and not marner.

Mackinnon, Kucherovn, Mcdavid, Draisaitl, Makar, etc have very few series as bad as the poor series Matthews had above.

He needs to show hes capable of being the best player in the world in the playoffs.

He has 3 more playoffs left after this one and ideally won't have marner with him so he has to deliver if he wants to show marner was holding him back

 

[francis246]

He could still get 13 m I just hope it’s not with us Chicago would give it to him San Jose would give it to him along with a couple other teams I’m sure I think we’d do it too but I hope not

I just don’t see it. I don’t see how anyone watching the 4 nations can be like, yeah he deserves the same money as Draisaitl. Ain’t happening (not that I ever believed the 13 mill from the jump tbh).

For Mitch himself and the fanbase I think a separation is probably best. If I’m Mitch’s family, I’m telling him to get the hell away from here and fast. Probably the same thing Hymans family told him. Go get the bag and a better spot. If they fail without you, they can’t hang it over your head anymore you’re gone.

 

[arso40]

Marner hopefully is out of the equation and can f*** off from the team

But you cant pretend Matthews has been worth his deal and been a premier elite player for us come playoffs.

He has had very poor series vs boston 2018, MTL 2021, and FLR 2023.

Been good vs Boston 2019, WSH 2017 and CBJ 2020

Been avg vs Bos 2024

Been elite vs Tampa 2022 and 2023

He just doesnt produce like a tier 1 top 5 player in the world in the playoffs. That is on him and not marner.

Mackinnon, Kucherovn, Mcdavid, Draisaitl, Makar, etc have very few series as bad as the poor series Matthews had above.

He needs to show hes capable of being the best player in the world in the playoffs.

He has 3 more playoffs left after this one and ideally won't have marner with him so he has to deliver if he wants to show marner was holding him back

He is none of them even his comparables coming into the league weren’t those guys level offense what gave him his value was his two way play his comparables were always kopitar and Bergeron as a pure goal scoring selki like centermen all those guys you named are offensive juggernauts without the defence

 

[fahad203]

Do you know when was the last time a Canadian Toronto Maple leafs made the team Canada as a player?
Curtis Joseph made it as a goalie back in 2002 and Bryan McCabe in 2006. But McCabe was a replacemen for Jovo who was hurt

Some of you need to appreciate how difficult it is to make Team Canada. Instead of getting behind that guy, however, poorly he has played, we are just running our mouth as if one against us

Same with Nylander and Matthews. Criticize their play if they are having bad games, as I do. But I am still behind them

F u haters. Some of you forgot what life was like without three trio.

 

[arso40]

Do you know when was the last time a Canadian Toronto Maple leafs made the team Canada as a player?
Curtis Joseph made it as a goalie back in 2002 and Bryan McCabe in 2006. But McCabe was a replacemen for Jovo who was hurt

Some of you need to appreciate how difficult it is to make Team Canada. Instead of getting behind that guy, however, poorly he has played, we are just running our mouth as if one against us

Same with Nylander and Matthews. Criticize their play if they are having bad games, as I do. But I am still behind them

F u haters. Some of you forgot what life was like without three trio.

It looks bad I’m sure but i think we’re still fans of all the players we criticize in our own leafy way right ?

 

[fahad203]

It looks bad I’m sure but i think we’re still fans of all the players we criticize in our own leafy way right ?

Fine line between criticizing and hate.

 

[francis246]

It looks bad I’m sure but i think we’re still fans of all the players we criticize in our own leafy way right ?

There’s nothing wrong with criticizing. But you have people on here actively cheering against Marner doing well. They literally hope he has a bad game so they can come to this thread do what they do best, complain, nitpick, dissect. To me that’s classless as a fan.

Like I said, I think people want someone to blame and unfortunately for Marner his contract is up. So he’s gotta take the heat. But we’ll soon realize he maybe was a part of the problem but getting rid of him won’t fix everything.

 

[francis246]

Fine line between criticizing and hate.

I think the biggest part is the hypocrisy in this thread this week.

We have been told that using Marner’s defensive play to evaluate how good he’s playing is a reach and we overvalue that.

Matthews has been pretty ass in the 4 nations. Guess what we are being told?

You guessed it! His defensive play.. “Look at how well he defended against Canada when the US was up 2-1” vs them.”

You call it out and you get, “are our opinions not allowed to change” LMAO, it’s pure insansity.

 

[Confucius]

Personally I think Marner is gone, especially if they don’t have a deep run. Why in the hell would he want to come back. He can go anywhere else make millions and not have to deal with the noise there. It would be a simple decision for me. Take me to Chicago or San Jose and staple me next to Bedard or Celebrini. Or if Rantanen dips for Carolina and he wants to a chase a cup, that’s a good destination.

The longer it goes the more I feel like he’s walking for free.

If he goes he’ll still feel heat. Oiler fans were dumping on McDavid a couple of seasons ago after their playoff exit

 

[thewave]

If he goes he’ll still feel heat. Oiler fans were dumping on McDavid a couple of seasons ago after their playoff exit

Ya but oil fans. I mean, that's why.

 

[DarkKnight]

Big game Willie and Big Sexy show up when it matters again. Donuts. Both first PP too.

Back to Marner, the real failure...

What a world.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Big game Willie and Big Sexy show up when it matters again. Donuts. Both first PP too.

Back to Marner, the real failure...

What a world.

Nylander had an assist on the GWG.

 

[DarkKnight]

Nylander had an assist on the GWG.

Bahahaha.

That's perfect! Primary too! Thx.

 

[arso40]

There’s nothing wrong with criticizing. But you have people on here actively cheering against Marner doing well. They literally hope he has a bad game so they can come to this thread do what they do best, complain, nitpick, dissect. To me that’s classless as a fan.

Like I said, I think people want someone to blame and unfortunately for Marner his contract is up. So he’s gotta take the heat. But we’ll soon realize he maybe was a part of the problem but getting rid of him won’t fix everything.

It’s a result oriented business he never lived up to his last contract atleast that’s the opinion of some tbh I’ll only speak for myself I love my team I love all the players but the bias and delusion at times does bother me sometimes hence why I play devils advocate with marner still love him hell of a player but I don’t think we’re going to win with him eating the chunk of the pie he desires

I think the biggest part is the hypocrisy in this thread this week.

We have been told that using Marner’s defensive play to evaluate how good he’s playing is a reach and we overvalue that.

Matthews has been pretty ass in the 4 nations. Guess what we are being told?

You guessed it! His defensive play.. “Look at how well he defended against Canada when the US was up 2-1” vs them.”

You call it out and you get, “are our opinions not allowed to change” LMAO, it’s pure insansity.

But matthews actually did a good job of shutting down canadas top centers I don’t believe marners had close to the same impact on the defensive end we know center controls more than a winger

 

[hullsy47]

Not happening. The Leafs would give him $13m today but he is too greedy and too stupid to take it.

Hed be signed by now .or he ll announce it next week
Dont hold your breath

 

[Kiwi]

You can ignore him being 28th in league wide pts and 37th in ppg despite being top 30 in forwards min/game but I can't. Hes been a selfish player this year as seen by the decline in assists.

Leaf fans will ALWAYS bend over backwards for standards that on any other team would be unacceptable.

He needs to be putting up 110 pts to be worth his deal

He's currently the second best goalscorer league wide, that's the hardest thing to do in the sport

You pay a premium for that, that's why Matthew's gets his AAV and a guy like Drai is going to make 14M

 

[IPS]

There’s nothing wrong with criticizing. But you have people on here actively cheering against Marner doing well. They literally hope he has a bad game so they can come to this thread do what they do best, complain, nitpick, dissect. To me that’s classless as a fan.

Like I said, I think people want someone to blame and unfortunately for Marner his contract is up. So he’s gotta take the heat. But we’ll soon realize he maybe was a part of the problem but getting rid of him won’t fix everything.

Sorry I just hate his face so much that it's legitimately effecting the team I cheer for.

 

[Leafsfan74]

There’s nothing wrong with criticizing. But you have people on here actively cheering against Marner doing well. They literally hope he has a bad game so they can come to this thread do what they do best, complain, nitpick, dissect. To me that’s classless as a fan.

Like I said, I think people want someone to blame and unfortunately for Marner his contract is up. So he’s gotta take the heat. But we’ll soon realize he maybe was a part of the problem but getting rid of him won’t fix everything.

I want him to do well and for Canada to do well.

It is obvious that this core won't get it done and I would prefer Reilly, followed my Marner to not be on the team. That's just a lifetime of watching hockey speaking. Watching hockey longer than these players have been alive. I wouldn't want to hurt their feelings, but these guys are pros, they probably don't read much and even if they did, their confidence is sky high through years of making their way through the ranks.

Some players are better in different markets that need their star power and/or a push to be a playoff team. Leafs need a different brand of player for the difficult battle that is the NHL playoffs, not just getting in.

I've seen this story before with the Oilers, San Jose and Ottawa in the past. Leafs beat the more talented, flashy Senators four times in a five year period. Think about that absurdity when the Senators were quite talented.

They had plenty of talent but the Leafs had far more grit with Roberts, Domi, Tucker, Yushkevich, Corson, Green etc. Imagine watching such talented players lose every year to the same, slower, more physical, net-presence Leafs? Imagine how frustrated their fans were?

I know the feeling.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Marner loves being in the spotlight...he's always trying to be in it. He also, literally said he loves being treated like a god.

He just also has very thin skin.

He didn't literally say that.

 

[leafs in five]

The Maple Leafs are ridiculed mercilessly around the world.

Who cares what other people think

 

[Leaf Fans]

Trust me, winning has always been secondary to profits.

The Maple Leafs are ridiculed mercilessly around the world. They know you will still line up to buy the latest Marner jersey.

I have lived in many countries around the world and I have never heard ridicule off the internet.

 

[leafs in five]

I have lived in many countries around the world and I have never heard ridicule off the internet.

lol yeah that too

 

[Antropovsky]

He didn't literally say that.

What do you disagree with? Here is the quote:

"We’re looked upon as kind of gods here, to be honest. Something that you appreciate. The love you get here from this fan base... this attention is [unlike] any other."