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Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Yet Again

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Aashir said:
We really got Marner talks having to pull out AI LOOOOL

I wanna say something funny, but I can’t even think of anything based on that, it’s quite literally unspeakable.

Not really on either side, Marner hasn’t really been good, I don’t really need Cooper saying he sucks or is great to change my opinion. I’ve used my own eyes for that. He also isn’t a “low iq” or “low skilled” player like some are saying either.

Still hoping he scores a hatty tmrw in a 7-1 blowout vs U.S.A
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You should be able to get great odds on Marner scoring a hatty in a Canada 7-1 win.
 
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Suntouchable13 said:
13-14M is a huge overpayment. He is clearly not in the MacKinnon or McDavid tier, but he wants to get paid like them LOL. This tournament has exposed that. 3 games, I don't care.
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The level of compete and performance are so far apart that there is no question. At high level, Mitch Marner is not even a top 40 performer.

You can't pay that unless you aren't with it.

I bet any money 3/4 of the GMs scratched Marners name off the list
 
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The good news for everyone who did not already know is that Mitch has played himself off Team Canada for Olympics. Bottom line he can't keep up to pace of play in playoff type hockey. His game is based on edgework and quick turns and cuts on both ends of ice to create space in regular season hockey. But it doesn't work in playoff hockey where he can't stay with game pace. And it is too late to change his skating stride technique now. It should have been done as I suggested when he was 6. Best to let Mitch leave in summer and some non playoff team who needs regular season points will pay him to get exactly that. Leafs will be better off as we can deepen the roster at 3C and add a couple more D. We need to build a playoff style roster who can win Cups.
 
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Stephen said:
If you war game the Marner free agency with various GM’s across the league, I could see the 4 Nations driving down the price on Marner quite substantially. Hopefully the Leafs adjust accordingly.
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Certainly, barring a huge game by him today... he definitely is comfortably a level below Mcdavid and Mackinnon. 9.5 million Point was moved up to top 6, Marner out of top 6. Marner is now playing with 6.5 million Hagel and 6.5 million Cirelli. Other bottom 6 players. Jarvis makes 7.5 million, Konecny making 8.6 million.

Reinhart signed 8 years for 8.6 million last offseason. Reinhart still in Canada's top 6 and of course won the cup last yeas, scores alot of goals and has size.

American teams probably wouldn't want to pay Marner any more than 10 million imo. The market wasn't great for Gaudreau, coming off a 40 goals, 115 point season and the Avalanche recently walked away from Rantanen (whose got the edge over Marner). Despite the cap going substantially higher being speculated for quute some time.

Also, Marner would only get a 7 year contract, which would take him to the age of 34 or 35. However this might not matter to Marner, should he want 3 year contracts like Matthews.
 
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Antropovsky said:
Certainly, barring a huge game by him today... he definitely is comfortably a level below Mcdavid and Mackinnon. 9.5 million Point was moved up to top 6, Marner out of top 6. Marner is now playing with 6.5 million Hagel and 6.5 million Cirelli. Other bottom 6 players. Jarvis makes 7.5 million, Konecny making 8.6 million.

Reinhart signed 8 years for 8.6 million last offseason. Reinhart still in Canada's top 6 and of course won the cup last yeas, scores alot of goals and has size.

American teams probably wouldn't want to pay Marner any more than 10 million imo. The market wasn't great for Gaudreau, coming off a 40 goals, 115 point season and the Avalanche recently walked away from Rantanen (whose got the edge over Marner). Despite the cap going substantially higher being speculated for quute some time.

Also, Marner would only get a 7 year contract, which would take him to the age of 34 or 35. However this might not matter to Marner, should he want 3 year contracts like Matthews.
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Marner blew out the bottom of his ridiculous asking price. The only thing left is to see if MLSE are so incompetent that they pay him anywhere close to what he wants.

He and his agent are probably in a panic right now. He probably is wishing he didn't go.
 
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If the Leafs were a normal organization bound by a shared fiscal reality with other teams around the league, I think you say to Mitch:

$1X.Y million over Z years plus being a Toronto Maple Leaf living in Toronto, good and bad.

Or

The big wide world, none of our business or how much you make somewhere else, for how long.

There’s got to be a hard number the team can reasonably offer up. And to me that X in the equation is a 2 or less, but probably more of a 1 or even a 0 if we’re being honest. If his agent wants something in the $13’s and $14’s I’m putting a categorical do not do business with Darren Ferris clients.

He’s good, he’s great. He’s special. But not that special.
 
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thewave said:
Marner blew out the bottom of his ridiculous asking price. The only thing left is to see if MLSE are so incompetent that they pay him anywhere close to what he wants.

He and his agent are probably in a panic right now. He probably is wishing he didn't go.
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I agree. His value peaked around the Matthews injury, but since then, the decline of his $ worth has been rapid and it probably hasn't been lower than it is today. Rantanen trade and Team Canada results have certainly hit him hard.
 
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Leaf Fans said:
You intentionally skipped a bit to further your agenda.Yes, Cooper said this :
When you are that size, you have to be unique at something,” Cooper said. “You have to be better than everyone else at something. If you really watch that game, the plays he made in tight, the plays he made in traffic… He is not the fastest kid on the ice. He doesn’t have the hardest shot on the ice. He doesn’t do a whole bunch of things that a lot of guys on both teams do better than him. But it is really hard to sit here and say, ‘Was there a better player?’

“He puts himself at that elite level with the way he thinks the game and processes the game at such a high level and at such a high rate of speed. That is why he is the player he is. I have watched him close up. I have coached against him in a playoff series. I have watched what he can do. There are not too many guys who can excel as a power play player, a penalty killer, a 5-on-5 guy, and at 3-on-3. Mitch can do it all.”

Ouch! I've said the same thing repeatedly on these boards about Marner but..but even I'm not at all surprised that Cooper said it publicly. Still there are a couple of posters that just try and manipulate what Cooper said to further their own agenda.
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Strange that he played him so little last game then.
 
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Antropovsky said:
I agree. His value peaked around the Matthews injury, but since then, the decline of his $ worth has been rapid and it probably hasn't been lower than it is today. Rantanen trade and Team Canada results have certainly hit him hard.
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That's perfect then. We always seem to sign our big guys at their peak,. I'd be nice to flip the script for once.

Btw, did you see Team USA basically running the play that Marner designed? Forward comes out to the blue line, takes the pass from the D and goes in on a mini break-in. Marner doesn't do it because he's scared to go down low, he does it to create space.
 
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Smif said:
That's perfect then. We always seem to sign our big guys at their peak,. I'd be nice to flip the script for once.

Btw, did you see Team USA basically running the play that Marner designed? Forward comes out to the blue line, takes the pass from the D and goes in on a mini break-in. Marner doesn't do it because he's scared to go down low, he does it to create space.
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Nice I mean Hes got the iq to design plays out there for sure the leafs let em do that which is good
 
Antropovsky said:
Certainly, barring a huge game by him today... he definitely is comfortably a level below Mcdavid and Mackinnon. 9.5 million Point was moved up to top 6, Marner out of top 6. Marner is now playing with 6.5 million Hagel and 6.5 million Cirelli. Other bottom 6 players. Jarvis makes 7.5 million, Konecny making 8.6 million.

Reinhart signed 8 years for 8.6 million last offseason. Reinhart still in Canada's top 6 and of course won the cup last yeas, scores alot of goals and has size.

American teams probably wouldn't want to pay Marner any more than 10 million imo. The market wasn't great for Gaudreau, coming off a 40 goals, 115 point season and the Avalanche recently walked away from Rantanen (whose got the edge over Marner). Despite the cap going substantially higher being speculated for quute some time.

Also, Marner would only get a 7 year contract, which would take him to the age of 34 or 35. However this might not matter to Marner, should he want 3 year contracts like Matthews.
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Reinhart knew he could've got more in UFA (I work with his sister-in-law). Took less to stay in FLA because of family and young children being settled. It was also last year before the big cap increase announcements. It also needs to be adjusted for the no-tax state.

He probably should be a $11M+ winger, close to Willy and Pasta.
 
Antropovsky said:
Not only did Cooper reduce Marners TOI but also demoted him to a checking line with players who made the team mostly due to their PK abilities (according to what Cooper said after rosters were announced).
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He actually said (about Hagal and Cirelli )

Which should give a couple of two-way Lightning forwards, Brandon Hagel and Anthony Cirelli, a slight edge for Canada’s deepest position.
“They’ve really played well for us this year. Whether it’s power play, penalty kill, five on five, trying to protect the lead, trying to get the lead — every aspect of the game, those two guys have really kind of stirred the drink for us for the entire year,” Cooper said.
“And it's not to take away from anybody else. But you ask anybody in the locker room, those two guys have been really good for us.” https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/a-photo-finish-how-jon-cooper-helped-pick-team-canada/
 
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Watching this tourney and he sure as hell isn’t one of the top players in the league and Treliving should be fired on the spot if he gives him anymore then his current level of pay……..not 1 dam cent more
 
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