Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[centipede2233]

8 playoffs and now this tournament and some fans think he is going to morph into something that he is not and are willing to pay $13+m to find out. If he does not change his spots, you might as well put the final nail in the coffin. Your window to win is closed.

Yeah. Shanahan and MLSE are morons and will likely give him the money and we ger rekt!

 

[hullsy47]

Guessing Cooper will ride his top two lines in the final. Top lines will play 20+ minutes. The bottom 6 will play 10 if they are lucky. Truth is, Marner is playing himself into the press box. He should be thankful it is only a 4 game series.

There was never really a defined role for marner
But 3on 3 and special teams
He seems to be lost outside his comfort zone
He might not beat out celebrini or bedard for the olympic team

 

[thewave]

There was never really a defined role for marner
But 3on 3 and special teams
He seems to be lost outside his comfort zone
He might not beat out celebrini or bedard for the olympic team

I don't think he makes the cut. If you want to win he ain't making it. He is just too small to toss back on L4. I watched a Finish player just push him aside entering our zone. Energy lines will move through him. Skill lines go around him and our skill lines can't afford to wait up for him.

How do you make that work?

 

[DarkKnight]

Matthews and Nylander lead their teams forward group in ice time. Marner’s ice time has been dropping the more he plays.

This is the problem looking at only points, you assume their play is based on points. If so Marner wouldn’t be getting less and less while Nylander and Matthews get more.

Nobody mentioned ice time when Marner was second for forwards first game, it was dismissed. Yes, his ice time is down, they switched up the lines and he’s on a more defensive line. He had two blocks yesterday, they had lots of zone time, played fine. Now points dont matter, it’s ice time, well that works both ways, 88 and 34 are getting top PP and STILL did shit. Bottomline, without Marner’s goal in game 1 we might not be playing Thursday. This place is a joke it really is.

 

[ToneDog]

It’s funny to me, Nylander had three shots all tournament, Matthews 1 assist, those threads are dead and everyone is complaining about the guy who scored the goal to get us to the final. This place is lost, but that’s okay, we’ve found our peeps. Toxicity national unites!

They have locked in on those two. Marner is up again, has a rep of disappearing in pressure games with and is demanding up to $14m. Of course fans are going to zero in on him and be upset when he continues to underwhelm in pressure games.

If he was signed to the Nylander deal based on the projected cap, he would not be under the same microscope IMO. You talk about toxicity. I have said it before, he is not doing himself any favours by trying to squeeze every nickel out of the Leafs.

 

[Divine]

Nobody mentioned ice time when Marner was second for forwards first game, it was dismissed. Yes, his ice time is down, they switched up the lines and he’s on a more defensive line. He had two blocks yesterday, they had lots of zone time, played fine. Now points dont matter, it’s ice time, well that works both ways, 88 and 34 are getting top PP and STILL did shit. Bottomline, without Marner’s goal in game 1 we might not be playing Thursday. This place is a joke it really is.

Why would ice time his first game be important when it wasn’t based on performance? They had made a decision on paper and waited to see the results.

When the team didn’t play any games they thought he would be a first line player. As they watched him play they realized he’s a 4th line player.

Let Marner walk, you’ll be happier for it. If you called up Team USA and said we’d give you Marner for Matthews, they’d hang up the phone. So don’t pay him like Matthews either.

Marner is okay as an 8M player. It’s dumb to pay a player who needs help from other players to produce any more than that.

Marner is a byproduct of his environment. If the team is good, then he’ll also be good. If the team struggles, he’ll also struggle. You can’t pay him as a difference maker when he’s more of a complementary piece.

 

[thewave]

They have locked in on those two. Marner is up again, has a rep of disappearing in pressure games with and is demanding up to $14m. Of course fans are going to zero in on him and be upset when he continues to underwhelm in pressure games.

If he was signed to the Nylander deal based on the projected cap, he would not be under the same microscope IMO. You talk about toxicity. I have said it before, he is not doing himself any favours by trying to squeeze every nickel out of the Leafs.

This absolute failure of a showing at the four nations has ended his 13m+ gambit. You can't square the circle

 

[Gary Nylund]

Sooner ditch JT and Marner and give McDavid an offer he can't refuse

Yes! I feel like our situation is so desperate, only McD has even a remote shot at saving us. Until we know he's staying in Edmonton, maintaining cap flexibility so we can sign him would be my #1 priority.

Depends how you look at it, are you ok with overpaying for mediocre in the long term for short term success? If Toronto can get a Sam Bennett and Aaron Ekblad for combined 14m, over Marner 14m, then it something to think about (don't think both will be that cheap). But it's not a easy choice to walk away from a top 10 winger, who does have his faults yes.

Tanev could fall off the cliff any moment but you know at least the 1st year & 2nd year will be good, much like Brodie, really it just depends on how the team see's itself, are they willing to give contracts out in FA that help the team in years 1,2,3 and at the backends are anchors.

Our window is closing very soon so it's all about short term anyway. And Tanev was just to make a point - some UFA signings turn out bad, others are pretty good.

To me, walking away from Marner is super easy. I get that he's fun to watch in November but I don't care about that myself. I want to go deep in the playoffs and Marner has done nothing to make me think he can be of much use in that regard.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Nylander had an assist on the GWG.

Assists don’t matter, goals matter

 

[ToneDog]

I don't think he makes the cut. If you want to win he ain't making it. He is just too small to toss back on L4. I watched a Finish player just push him aside entering our zone. Energy lines will move through him. Skill lines go around him and our skill lines can't afford to wait up for him.

How do you make that work?

When it comes on best on best, Marner is Malgin. Not good enough for top 6 and too soft and small for bottom 6.

Assists don’t matter, goals matter

Nylander was Nylander in the games I saw. Hardly worked up a sweat. No breakaways to be had.

 

[hullsy47]

I don't think he makes the cut. If you want to win he ain't making it. He is just too small to toss back on L4. I watched a Finish player just push him aside entering our zone. Energy lines will move through him. Skill lines go around him and our skill lines can't afford to wait up for him.

How do you make that work?

Now MSLE will have an emergency meeting trying to decide if they want to spend 14 million on him

 

[ToneDog]

This absolute failure of a showing at the four nations has ended his 13m+ gambit. You can't square the circle

I put nothing by this incompetent Leafs management team. Shanny is all but gone and Pelley needs to talk to Dubas about glasses that make him look intelligent.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Now MSLE will have an emergency meeting trying to decide if they want to spend 14 million on him

It's always a bad idea to spend 14M on a small, playmaking winger.

 

[DarkKnight]

Why would ice time his first game be important when it wasn’t based on performance? They had made a decision on paper and waited to see the results.

When the team didn’t play any games they thought he would be a first line player. As they watched him play they realized he’s a 4th line player.

MacKinnon only played 15 minutes, ditto Crosby, everyone’s ice time is down, they rolled the lines more, so it’s a bit disingenuous to just look at his numbers. I’d add, go rewatch the game, Marner came off quickly three or four times, too early for me, but he was being unselfish, its not like he missed shifts.

Look you guys twist eveything, he scores it doesn’t matter, he gets an assist, it’s empty calories, he plays good defence, he’s over paid,etc etc. You just ignored my point about Nylander and Matthews, both total failures this tournament,and go right back to Marner without missing a beat. It’s bullshit. Anyways, again, this is toxic central, have a group hug, you’re home.

 

[DarkKnight]

Assists don’t matter, goals matter

No game winning goals, on the big stage, don’t matter. Assists in a nothing game, after you’ve been eliminated, that’s huge. And hey, getting 20 minutes a night and being on the top PP, still managing to only get 3 shots on net, as a shooter, that’s elite. Not a post on his thread. Love it!

 

[Divine]

MacKinnon only played 15 minutes, ditto Crosby, everyone’s ice time is down, they rolled the lines more, so it’s a bit disingenuous to just look at his numbers. I’d add, go rewatch the game, Marner came off quickly three or four times, too early for me, but he was being unselfish, its not like he missed shifts.

Look you guys twist eveything, he scores it doesn’t matter, he gets an assist, it’s empty calories, he plays good defence, he’s over paid,etc etc. You just ignored my point about Nylander and Matthews, both total failures this tournament,and go right back to Marner without missing a beat. It’s bullshit. Anyways, again, this is toxic central, have a group hug, you’re home.

Everyone's ice time was down but Marner still played among the least.

We're not complaining about his ice time. We're comparing it to the rest of the team. Everyone's is down and Marner still played among the bottom 3 forwards on the team. Despite him being a PKer when not everyone else is.

These are just the facts.

 

[IPS]

MacKinnon only played 15 minutes, ditto Crosby, everyone’s ice time is down, they rolled the lines more, so it’s a bit disingenuous to just look at his numbers. I’d add, go rewatch the game, Marner came off quickly three or four times, too early for me, but he was being unselfish, its not like he missed shifts.

Look you guys twist eveything, he scores it doesn’t matter, he gets an assist, it’s empty calories, he plays good defence, he’s over paid,etc etc. You just ignored my point about Nylander and Matthews, both total failures this tournament,and go right back to Marner without missing a beat. It’s bullshit. Anyways, again, this is toxic central, have a group hug, you’re home.

Everything looked normal except Marner's minutes significantly lower than the big boy's.

Facts do not care about your feelings.

 

[ToneDog]

Everyone's ice time was down but Marner still played among the least.

We're not complaining about his ice time. We're comparing it to the rest of the team. Everyone's is down and Marner still played among the bottom 3 forwards on the team. Despite him being a PKer when not everyone else is.

These are just the facts.

He was/is Team Canada's David Kampf or Pontus Holmberg. He was not moved down to the line up because he was tearing it up. Reinhart was also MEH the first two games but he was not moved down and he played well yesterday with 3 assists and a couple of good hits.

 

[DarkKnight]

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Everything looked normal except Marner's minutes significantly lower than the big boy's.

Facts do not care about your feelings.

lol, your last post is about hating his face, go get some help. My feelings lmao. Who gets to that point and still watches? Geezus dude, go reflect a bit.

 

[thewave]

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Everything looked normal except Marner's minutes significantly lower than the big boy's.

Facts do not care about your feelings.

The Marner Only Fans AKA The Paul's ignore fact, reality. Such things do not bother their narrative making.

Please people wake up to the reality of Mitch Marner. This is your last cance

 

[kevsh]

This absolute failure of a showing at the four nations has ended his 13m+ gambit. You can't square the circle

Just don't fall into the trap of thinking that his performance here will change anything in regards to MLSE's desire and willingness to bring him back and pay him very well for it.

If these player's actual playoff performance history had any bearing on their salaries or their still being a part of this team they'd all be gone by now.

MLSE has revealed how it operates repeatedly: They are all-in on this core and they're all going to be here until they want to leave or they retire.

 

[IPS]

They keep going back and mentioning his strong defensive play, which is a cop out. The guy simply looks out of place

Yeah despite Canada getting the early lead and Marner's defense being a core part of his game - didn't even look like Cooper wanted him in the defensive role very much either. This is saying something.

lol, your last post is about hating his face, go get some help. My feelings lmao. Who gets to that point and still watches? Geezus dude, go reflect a bit.

Dude it's a clearly sarcastic post...

 

[DarkKnight]

I just love the constant ignoring of the fair points about Nylander and Matthews, and how everyone just goes back to their favourite thing, hating Marner. It's just beautiful to witness the pathology, masquerading as hockey commentary. Enjoy fellas!

 

[Gary Nylund]

Nobody mentioned ice time when Marner was second for forwards first game, it was dismissed. Yes, his ice time is down, they switched up the lines and he’s on a more defensive line. He had two blocks yesterday, they had lots of zone time, played fine. Now points dont matter, it’s ice time, well that works both ways, 88 and 34 are getting top PP and STILL did shit. Bottomline, without Marner’s goal in game 1 we might not be playing Thursday. This place is a joke it really is.

I know right?! Not only is Marner the smartest player in NHL history (ask Cooper if you don't believe me), he's also the best shot blocker maybe not in NHL history, but Maple Leaf history for sure. Remember that shot he blocked against Boston in the playoffs many years ago? I'm still buzzing from that one, incredible stuff. That right there was the foundation for all the success we've had from that point on. Marner is our rock, without him working his magic, nobody would be worried about facing the Maple Leafs in the playoffs, that's for damn sure.

 

[thewave]

I just love the constant ignoring of the fair points about Nylander and Matthews, and how everyone just goes back to their favourite thing, hating Marner. It's just beautiful to witness the pathology, masquerading as hockey commentary. Enjoy fellas!

Or maybe you are actually in a cultist mindset along with other people that tirelessly defend a player that is factually proving to you that he is not what you say he is in real time.

Perhaps those people don't want the team to make a grave error and are motivated to call it out.

Doesn't that sound more likely?