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Mitch Marner (Trade or Keep)?

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Trade or Keep Marner?

  • Trade Marner

    Votes: 420 67.5%

  • Keep Marner

    Votes: 183 29.4%

  • Other (explain)

    Votes: 19 3.1%
  • Total voters
    622
Arzak said:
You can tell me it's a small sample size but I saw the most scared hockey player in the history of this great league and it was just too much for me. We are paying 11M for the privilege, I'm sorry but when it counts he makes the whole team worse by a lot.
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the most scared hockey player in the history of this great league

TheGreenTBer said:
There's literally no realistic way to both build a team with Cup winning depth AND give the core the money they are demanding. It's one or the other.

Toronto will of course probably do the cowardly, marketable and politically correct choice and maintain the status quo as much as possible.
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what does politically correct mean here
 
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leafs in five said:
the most scared hockey player in the history of this great league


what does politically correct mean here
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Even Gretzky was more ballsy. Didn't Gretz even drop them once or twice?

Not sure what the politically correct aspect is. Maybe the whole new hockey no fighting etc.
 
IPS said:
It's definitely gonna be closer to Matthews' than anyone else's on the team.

Both Matthews and Marner's NMC's went into effect at the exact same time despite being drafted a year apart. There's no leverage against these kids, we're hooped to pay them whatever they want.

Marner will not accept Pastrnak as his comparable - he wants Matthews and only Matthews as his comparable.
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Moving to Marner thread.

Bundy has just under 2 years to convince otherwise. Should be doable, because he is not Matthews, and he is not worth as much as Matthews. He has to come in under, for logic and the team, hometown boy. Small raise. Fair, slightly team friendly deal, get that pay back in line. Triple dog dare him to walk. And if he does, we take our $11m in new cap space and work on the D.
 
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Squiffy said:
Moving to Marner thread.

Bundy has just under 2 years to convince otherwise. Should be doable, because he is not Matthews, and he is not worth as much as Matthews. He has to come in under, for logic and the team, hometown boy. Small raise. Fair, slightly team friendly deal, get that pay back in line. Triple dog dare him to walk. And if he does, we take our $11m in new cap space and work on the D.
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The Pastrnak contract should be the Marner contract at $11,250,000.
 
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Squiffy said:
I’d go to 11.5 for two years later and cap increase, but absolutely yes, he can have the Pasta contract.
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I would think he'd come in around there depending on the term.
Should be a fairly simple negotiation.
 
ACC1224 said:
I would think he'd come in around there depending on the term.
Should be a fairly simple negotiation.
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The current $10.9 mil over-payment from what should have been $8.5 mil, is somewhat corrected and brought more in-line with the rest of the NHL with a 3rd contract with only a small raise up to $11.25 - $11.5 mil from current.

With Marner being a local kid and despite having a full NMC to call his own shots on cost, he is more likely to want to stay then leave for more money which does give Leafs GM Treliving some control back to help reign in his next contract and not overpay again.

Paying $10.9 mil for restricted free agent years was very poor value, but now $11.5 mil for full UFA years seems reasonable and more logical for a player of Marner's impact and status.
 
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Squiffy said:
I’d go to 11.5 for two years later and cap increase, but absolutely yes, he can have the Pasta contract.
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Auston getting a respectable $1.6M raise is probably about the floor for Marner as well.

$12.5ish is what we're looking to pay Marner when it comes time. Once again it's a painful overpayment but the leverage is out of the Leafs hands thanks to the brilliant use of NMC's by the former GM.

Mess said:
Paying $10.9 mil for restricted free agent years was very poor value, but now $11.5 mil for full UFA years seems reasonable and more logical for a player of Marner's impact and status.
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That'd be absolutely swell if he wanted to leave some money on the table that there's no use even hoping.
 
Mess said:
The current $10.9 mil over-payment from what should have been $8.5 mil, is somewhat corrected and brought more in-line with the rest of the NHL with a 3rd contract with only a small raise up to $11.25 - $11.5 mil from current.

With Marner being a local kid and despite having a full NMC to call his own shots on cost, he is more likely to want to stay then leave for more money which does give Leafs GM Treliving some control back to help reign in his next contract and not overpay again.

Paying $10.9 mil for restricted free agent years was very poor value, but now $11.5 mil for full UFA years seems reasonable and more logical for a player of Marner's impact and status.
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He was looking for a reasonable number last time but Dubas negotiated his way out of it.
Good kid, should be a fairly easy negotiation.
 
ACC1224 said:
He was looking for a reasonable number last time but Dubas negotiated his way out of it.
Good kid, should be a fairly easy negotiation.
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Incorrect, he wanted Matthews money. Probably even more. But once he found out that nobody was going to offer sheet him anywhere near that much, he called Kyle. If his asking price was reasonable, it wouldn't have gotten to him talking to other teams.
 
Antropovsky said:
Incorrect, he wanted Matthews money. Probably even more. But once he found out that nobody was going to offer sheet him anywhere near that much, he called Kyle. If his asking price was reasonable, it wouldn't have gotten to him talking to other teams.
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Theyre talking about the 8x8.5M rumours the year before he eventually signed. Back when there was no number for Matthews
 
Gallagbi said:
Theyre talking about the 8x8.5M rumours the year before he eventually signed. Back when there was no number for Matthews
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That would have been fine. 8.5 at the time looked good. Just like 6.5 looked good for WN. What he got was a joke and he has to be one of the least likable players i can remember. I know a lot like him but he really is just whining little sell out snake that played every game during his last negotiations. When we needed him in G3 rd2... We all know what that money got us in pressure situations.
 
Gallagbi said:
Theyre talking about the 8x8.5M rumours the year before he eventually signed.
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There were no 8.5m x 8 year rumours the year before he eventually signed though. A year before he eventually signed, every report was that he wanted to play out the year and wait. Then a year after he signed, some random guy on HFboards started claiming that there had been an 8.5m offer years prior with zero evidence.
 
Dekes For Days said:
There were no 8.5m x 8 year rumours the year before he eventually signed though. A year before he eventually signed, every report was that he wanted to play out the year and wait. Then a year after he signed, some random guy on HFboards started claiming that there had been an 8.5m offer years prior with zero evidence.
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Youre right that it came out after, not much news prior to the season
 
Gallagbi said:
Theyre talking about the 8x8.5M rumours the year before he eventually signed. Back when there was no number for Matthews
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8.5 million was reasonable?

Mitch Marner
2nd NHL season, 22 g 69 points
2018 NHL cap: 79.5 million
Asking: 8-8.5 million, 10.7% cap

Nicolai Ehlers
2nd NHL season 24 g 64 points
2017 NHL cap: 75 million
contract: 6 million per, 8% of cap

So yea..not reasonable at all.
 
Antropovsky said:
8.5 million was reasonable?

Mitch Marner
2nd NHL season, 22 g 69 points
2018 NHL cap: 79.5 million
Asking: 8-8.5 million, 10.7% cap

Nicolai Ehlers
2nd NHL season 24 g 64 points
2017 NHL cap: 75 million
contract: 6 million per, 8% of cap

So yea..not reasonable at all.
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Gambling on the breakout...the breakout we've seen and i dont think many (any) are shocked by. You had a young, playmaking winner going from Bozak/Kadri to Tavares, who was roughly a PPG in that calendar year.
 
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Gallagbi said:
Gambling on the breakout...the breakout we've seen and i dont think many (any) are shocked by. You had a young, playmaking winner going from Bozak/Kadri to Tavares, who was roughly a PPG in that calendar year.
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The poster I responded to said Marner had "reasonable demands". 11% after a 64 and 69 point seasons isn't anywhere near reasonable. That's Patrick Kane money as an RFA. As I said, Ehlers took 8% after similar first two seasons.

8.5 million is an over payment at that time and certainly not "reasonable".
 
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Gallagbi said:
Gambling on the breakout...the breakout we've seen and i dont think many (any) are shocked by. You had a young, playmaking winner going from Bozak/Kadri to Tavares, who was roughly a PPG in that calendar year.
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Yeah in hindsight that 8.5 would have now been viewed as one of the best deals in the league.
 
Antropovsky said:
The poster I responded to said Marner had "reasonable demands". 11% after a 64 and 69 point seasons isn't anywhere near reasonable. That's Patrick Kane money as an RFA. As I said, Ehlers took 8% after similar first two seasons.

8.5 million is an over payment at that time and certainly not "reasonable".
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And then you ranted about the following offseason, so i highlighted the correct one

Honestly, i dont really care if you think it's reasonable, thats still what they were referring to
 
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