Mitch Marner (Trade or Keep)?

[saffronleaf]

I think the next couple of months will determine a number of directions - obviously.

I have a number of scenarios in mind, but I suspect what happens with discussions with Matthews is likely to determine Marner's direction.

You have to sit Matthews down and say, We want to extend you but we don't think Marner fits the Stanley Cup mold. If his response is non-negotiable, then you're calculating the return for both Matthews and Marner and in turn, determining Nylander as the pillar for years to come.

I think you'd have to move Marner to the Western Conference. There are some very good options. Suppose the next step is to determine if teams in that conference see a different value than the one our fanbase does.

Tough days ahead.

i don't think you need matthews' permission to trade marner

Yes but it’s been done before.
But even if he waives they would have to give up picks/prospects to get anyone to take that contract.

he's also from the area and has kids and family here. he's deeply tied to this market. while it is a possibility, i wouldn't spend time seriously considering trading him given the NMC and deep ties because it's a remote possibility.

 

[thewave]

i don't think you need matthews' permission to trade marner



he's also from the area and has kids and family here. he's deeply tied to this market. while it is a possibility, i wouldn't spend time seriously considering trading him given the NMC and deep ties because it's a remote possibility.

Gotta get the permission or the NMC gang is going to walk. That's how this works in Dubas' Torana

 

[ACC1224]

I don’t think that’s stopped any teams from trading someone with NMC if they really pushed it.


Maybe they don’t need to retain salary.

I don’t think JT will agree to move if Leafs need to retain salary, but he probably would waive if he knows it is equal value coming back. It is a pride thing.

I think most guys that do waive are on bad team looking to rebuild. That isn’t the situation here.

 

[Budz]

He’s the number 1 guy to go.

 

[Doublerum1975]

much more in alignment with reality than that useless Appreciation Thread where only positive comments are allowed

Lol trade the best player on the team yep makes a lot of sense

 

[saffronleaf]

Lol trade the best player on the team yep makes a lot of sense

it's hard to justify his cap hit given his performance in important playoff situations.

it could just be a mental block for him that he'll eventually overcome or it could be that the pressure in toronto is just too much for him given his ties to the market.

it's not like he'll be traded for nothing. but you certainly look and look hard and persistently to find a reasonable return (which includes any cap savings to be used on signings).

 

[Gabriel426]

I think most guys that do waive are on bad team looking to rebuild. That isn’t the situation here.

True but that’s also show the possibilities.

Like I mentioned either on this thread or another.
Don’t think JT will agree to anything if Leafs retain, bc it means it is a cap dump and JT got pride.
But if it is a hockey trade, JT will probably agree, at least that’s what I am hoping for.

It will turn really hostile for both the players and the Club if a player refuse to go, esp the team hadn’t done anything in the playoffs.

 

[thewave]

it's hard to justify his cap hit given his performance in important playoff situations.

it could just be a mental block for him that he'll eventually overcome or it could be that the pressure in toronto is just too much for him given his ties to the market.

it's not like he'll be traded for nothing. but you certainly look and look hard and persistently to find a reasonable return (which includes any cap savings to be used on signings).

I think we all know, Keefe will be fired, Dubas let go. The core will remain and the NMCs will click in. The new GM will lose 1 or 2 of the core to the highest bidder and just blame Dubas and the time constraints etc.

Leaf Nation will be up in arms and we will be at a new rebuild juncture. Guys like me and you will all be saying told you so again with our other friends that seem to get it right more often than not.

Life moves on.

 

[Doublerum1975]

it's hard to justify his cap hit given his performance in important playoff situations.

it could just be a mental block for him that he'll eventually overcome or it could be that the pressure in toronto is just too much for him given his ties to the market.

it's not like he'll be traded for nothing. but you certainly look and look hard and persistently to find a reasonable return (which includes any cap savings to be used on signings).

I would trade Mathews before marner

 

[saffronleaf]

True but that’s also show the possibilities.

Like I mentioned either on this thread or another.
Don’t think JT will agree to anything if Leafs retain, bc it means it is a cap dump and JT got pride.
But if it is a hockey trade, JT will probably agree, at least that’s what I am hoping for.

It will turn really hostile for both the players and the Club if a player refuse to go, esp the team hadn’t done anything in the playoffs.

sundin did this and he's not even from toronto. jt came home for a reason. he's got family here. i think it's a remote possibility that he'll waive his nmc.

 

[thewave]

I would trade Mathews before marner

That's really crazy sounding. He is a Rocket winner and has size and is a C. He makes the same money and doesn't get pushed off the puck by 14 year olds. Lets be realistic here, did you buy his jersey this year?

 

[saffronleaf]

I would trade Mathews before marner

i'd be open to trading matthews but i think marner is more expendable even though both have a strong knack for underperforming when it matters.

 

[Superstar]

I'm on the keep Marner side. He is the most consistent out of the top 4 and although he's still too soft, as a playmaker that isn't as bad if they get him linemates willing to go to the paint.

Leafs don't need a Marner to make the playoffs, but they do need someone else to take them over the hump in the playoffs and win a Cup.

 

[Doublerum1975]

That's really crazy sounding. He is a Rocket winner and has size and is a C. He makes the same money and doesn't get pushed off the puck by 14 year olds. Lets be realistic here, did you buy his jersey this year?

Marner plays all situations pk pp everything selke nominated this year he's the reason why Mathews got that trophy

 

[thewave]

Marner plays all situations pk pp everything selke nominated this year he's the reason why Mathews got that trophy

No he doesn't. He does not perform in the playoffs. The most important situation.

 

[ACC1224]

True but that’s also show the possibilities.

Like I mentioned either on this thread or another.
Don’t think JT will agree to anything if Leafs retain, bc it means it is a cap dump and JT got pride.
But if it is a hockey trade, JT will probably agree, at least that’s what I am hoping for.

It will turn really hostile for both the players and the Club if a player refuse to go, esp the team hadn’t done anything in the playoffs.

I don’t believe he would have any interest in leaving nor do I think the team has any interest in moving him.

 

[Enniskillen]

So when do they fire Keefe and dubas? On Monday?

 

[AuraSphere]

All these trade talks but who would you even trade Matthews/Marner for? Who's even available?

The time was last year with Tkachuk available

 

[Gabriel426]

I don’t believe he would have any interest in leaving nor do I think the team has any interest in moving him.

Agree to disagree.

I don’t think any top players want to leave their current team, it is a pride thing. But they do love around, the MGT needs to persuade them.

sundin did this and he's not even from toronto. jt came home for a reason. he's got family here. i think it's a remote possibility that he'll waive his nmc.

Sundin is different bc he just didn’t want to move at TDL plus he earned that due to what he had done in Toronto.

I am not saying JT will do it 100% but it is something that MGT needs to try before sending out the other three.

 

[Enniskillen]

I have a suspicion that Marner’s dad has multiple accounts on hf boards. The tenacity is commendable.

 

[Wiseguys]

I think the only player thay needs to go is Tavares with his albatros contract and we can work things out. These guys are young, more productive and still developing. Tavares looks like a plug for 11mil he can't even throw a solid hit.

They can't move him, their stuck with him for 2 more seasons. He has a no movement clause. His contract puts a strangle hold on the cap, they don't have the flexibility to acquire the necessary pieces to complete the team due to his outrageous contract. Leafs are screwed because of it. The only option is to trade marner , but they won't they will have no choice but to fire Keefe and replace him with another coach, who will implement a new system to get the most out of the core. Taveras contract sucks huge leaves the team with no flexibility.

 

[Da Cool Rula]

This team needs a good John Tortorella kick in the butt!!!

Spoiled brats

 

[thewave]

I have a suspicion that Marner’s dad has multiple accounts on hf boards. The tenacity is commendable.

Darren Ferris or company reps are probably on some forums. It's big money at stake here and narrative building is now a part of "getting paid". How much would it cost to get some people to go around and post positive things about their client? I mean considering the money at stake (it's peanuts).

That means here, twitter, reddit and paying for positive opinions of sports writers. You know, 360 blitzing the media.

 

[ITM]

i don't think you need matthews' permission to trade marner

Permission is different from opinion. Do you believe the club would move Marner without having a conversation with Matthews as it relates to his (Matthews') future as a Leaf?

 

[Blanche Blanche]

Darren Ferris or company reps are probably on some forums. It's big money at stake here and narrative building is now a part of "getting paid". How much would it cost to get some people to go around and post positive things about their client? I mean considering the money at stake (it's peanuts).

That means here, twitter, reddit and paying for positive opinions of sports writers. You know, 360 blitzing the media.

For sure. It’s an all front war these days.

That being said… Hey marners dad, and fellow Agents… you guys are OBVIOUS cu*ks. you single handedly screwed Toronto thinking your 160 pound son would be better than a 6,4 240 pound center. And every other winger who is in playoff contention making way LESS doing way BETTER.

Overpaid by 3-4 million easy.

Nylander making 7 and isn’t getting Bullied like a preteen every battle.

Reilly took a black eye and crashed the net more than anyone and he is D. He also took a discount cause he’s the real Captain.