It’s gotta be trade. How many times do we gotta suffer? This group have had 7-8 years. It’s not about tinkering anymore it’s about blowing up this loser group.
Mitch Marner (Trade or Keep)?
- Thread starter PromisedLand
- Start date
-
Work is still on-going to rebuild the site styling and features. Please report any issues you may experience so we can look into it. Click Here for Updates
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
We saw what forcing a Kadri trade did.
Send him to the team that gave him an offer sheet for their 1st + Foudy + top prospect
I didn’t realize Columbus offered him an offer sheet. I know he said he had offers but never had any thoughts of signing it
In either case this team needs a shake up. Clearly you don’t just give away guys but you can’t bring this group back as it currently stands
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
Nylander has a limited NMC so he is easier to move after July 1st if you can't move him before the draft. If Matty is willing to sign a deal that shows he wants to win here great, trade Marner. If not trade 16 and 34 before the draft.
HamiltonNHL
Resigning Marner == Running it back
- Jan 4, 2012
- 22,710
- 13,885
notdoneyet
Registered User
11games this playoffs
MM 3-11. 14 points. +8
AM 5-6. 11 points. +3
WN 4-6. 10 points -4
JT 4-4. 8 points. -1
Yep certainly marner should be traded
What a bunch of fools
MM 3-11. 14 points. +8
AM 5-6. 11 points. +3
WN 4-6. 10 points -4
JT 4-4. 8 points. -1
Yep certainly marner should be traded
What a bunch of fools
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
Absolutely not but the idiots at MLSEL might. I mean if they resign Dubas and Matty says, I want out, we are f***ed. As bad as they have been during my lifetime as a Leafs fan, resigning Dubas might be the last straw. I'd have zero interest in the regular season and will watch the playoffs to see if anything is different.
Of course he wants the core back
They act like rock stars
Got a gm test changes your diapers and gives out money like candy
He will just hold the team hostage or just leave
BraveCanadian
Registered User
- Jun 30, 2010
- 15,726
- 5,239
Well Mitch, maybe you could help out by not taking 11 million to play for your home town team.
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
Assholes got $7+m coming July 1st along with full NMC. Seriously how the f*** can you not have already fired Dubas over the predicament he has put the team in?? I am thinking The Leafs top down know how to line their pockets with money but do not know how to win on the ice. The only thing they got going for them is the most loyal fan base in hockey.
BallardEra
Leafs&Caps Since 1982™
HamiltonNHL
Resigning Marner == Running it back
- Jan 4, 2012
- 22,710
- 13,885
His asshole contract design is the exact design used by Tavares to walk.
It's not that Marner isnt a good players. He is.
But as a group, the core isn't going to improve.
Change is needed.
Enga Olly
Registered User
- May 26, 2021
- 1,102
- 1,367
Only read the 1st page of responses - the stupidity hurt my brain
Get over it boys, or find a new team. Leaf fandom not for the faint of heart. Generally speaking, it's a bad move to sell low. Marner and Matthews had terrible performances in this 2nd round and really haven't performed great in all their PO rounds - but things develop in hockey. They do not remain static. You all know this and yet your posts do not reflect it. Take a break let the boo boos heal. Problem is there's no accountability or integrity on these boards. One can post the stupidest shit and then wooosh down the memory hole it goes and then proceed to say more stupid shit with such bravado, giving the impression you know what they're talking about.
Trade Marner now and it will rank with other "great" Leaf trades of their star players like Sittler and McDonald. An organization needs to get equal value if they trade a corner piece and that trade simply doesn't exist today in the cap era. But sure, let your fee-fee's guide you and burn it all down
Get over it boys, or find a new team. Leaf fandom not for the faint of heart. Generally speaking, it's a bad move to sell low. Marner and Matthews had terrible performances in this 2nd round and really haven't performed great in all their PO rounds - but things develop in hockey. They do not remain static. You all know this and yet your posts do not reflect it. Take a break let the boo boos heal. Problem is there's no accountability or integrity on these boards. One can post the stupidest shit and then wooosh down the memory hole it goes and then proceed to say more stupid shit with such bravado, giving the impression you know what they're talking about.
Trade Marner now and it will rank with other "great" Leaf trades of their star players like Sittler and McDonald. An organization needs to get equal value if they trade a corner piece and that trade simply doesn't exist today in the cap era. But sure, let your fee-fee's guide you and burn it all down
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
GoonieFace
Registered User
Max Domi 11 pts in 12 games, what’s you point? Not all points are created equal. These guys all disappeared in rd 2, minus Willy. Team Never scored more than 2 goals in 7 straight games, that’s abysmal.
Hey Kyle, stop posting here and do your presser
Like I have been telling you guys for years now .. Mitchy has huge troubles in a fast rough north south game like against Florida .. as soon as game pace picks up and ice shrinks Mitchy can't do anything .. and it has been that way since he was 6 .. it is not gonna change my friends .. he needs to be traded for sure .. get back a young big fast D who can play a solid 2 way D, a fast fat fast stronger winger and a 1st rounder 2023 pick up some CAP space .. that would be a huge win for team
What is missing? Burning it all down actually makes sense, but not because this is a fix. It is just a necessity, The empirical evidence is in.
Many writers have commented on the fact that "something is missing" on this team. I would say, quoting Nirvana "something is in the way". Although it sounds radical, sometimes what you subtract from a team can solve problems faster than what you add. We think too much about what to add.
Changing the GM and the coach has to happen, because they have not achieved what they should, but on its own, that does not solve the problem. It really is about the players in the end.
This thought IS radical, but I believe that their main strength is the their main weakness: Matthews and Marner. I sometimes wonder about "the room" and how it works. I imagine M and M off on their own, certainly acting superior to all of the foot soldiers, acting functionally as a separate clique, checking what the are going to wear to the rink and making it sure it is a different colour, M and M are the poison on this team. They are well-intentioned, but their own contracts are the cause of the inability of the support troops to take the pressure off them. I also think there is a character issue, and you can laugh at how irrelevant it is, but.. it is not. I just think arrogance and attitude comes through, and I assume this is a split room, a two-class system, the lords and the serfs.
They need to move both Matthews and Marner now, and get back four 5 million dollar and young players, and think about distributing the talent, but most of all, make sure they care about winning in the end, more than partying in Muskoka.
Sorry, but we have to face it. Its over.
Many writers have commented on the fact that "something is missing" on this team. I would say, quoting Nirvana "something is in the way". Although it sounds radical, sometimes what you subtract from a team can solve problems faster than what you add. We think too much about what to add.
Changing the GM and the coach has to happen, because they have not achieved what they should, but on its own, that does not solve the problem. It really is about the players in the end.
This thought IS radical, but I believe that their main strength is the their main weakness: Matthews and Marner. I sometimes wonder about "the room" and how it works. I imagine M and M off on their own, certainly acting superior to all of the foot soldiers, acting functionally as a separate clique, checking what the are going to wear to the rink and making it sure it is a different colour, M and M are the poison on this team. They are well-intentioned, but their own contracts are the cause of the inability of the support troops to take the pressure off them. I also think there is a character issue, and you can laugh at how irrelevant it is, but.. it is not. I just think arrogance and attitude comes through, and I assume this is a split room, a two-class system, the lords and the serfs.
They need to move both Matthews and Marner now, and get back four 5 million dollar and young players, and think about distributing the talent, but most of all, make sure they care about winning in the end, more than partying in Muskoka.
Sorry, but we have to face it. Its over.
SnizzNasty88
Registered User
If Philly offered a package around Konecny and Provorov I would be all over that. Konecny is a playoff type guy that would do amazing here and Provorov could revive his career here as well.
Al14
Registered User
- Jul 13, 2007
- 24,459
- 5,979
Hits ??? Yeah, he really threw some dandies, now didn't he??? LOL
Yep, add a 1st rounder, and they can have Matthews or Marner !!!
Gary Nylund
Registered User
- Oct 10, 2013
- 31,578
- 25,316
What a load of crapola. So much wrong here, I'll just say that comparing Marner to Sittler and McDonald is insulting to two players who had heart, who always played hard for us and who's performance didn't drop off in the playoffs and leave it at that.
I don’t think Marner’s value is low at all. I think there are teams that would pay a premium for him.
- Sep 8, 2004
- 15,415
- 2,098
no player is untradeable, it just depends on the return ...do we give away Marner, Hell No!
do we trade him for a player/package that is on par or in a deal that we think we win maybe/yes.
i.e. Marner for Barzal and Dobson vs Marner for 2 x 1st (not likely a top 10 pick for the team to be interested in taking on Marner) and a meh prospect (3rd line projection)
would you do either, both, or neither?
do we trade him for a player/package that is on par or in a deal that we think we win maybe/yes.
i.e. Marner for Barzal and Dobson vs Marner for 2 x 1st (not likely a top 10 pick for the team to be interested in taking on Marner) and a meh prospect (3rd line projection)
would you do either, both, or neither?
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
Gary Nylund
Registered User
- Oct 10, 2013
- 31,578
- 25,316
Enga Olly
Registered User
- May 26, 2021
- 1,102
- 1,367
You should know better. Marner is a star player on the team, trading him now nd in the cap era you will never get equal value. That's the comparison - not the player's character or PO performance. Be smarter man, you saw how we never recovered from trading McDonald and Sittler, why would you want to repeat that stupidity?
