Great in the regular season, but a scared b!tch in the playoffs. The core needs more guts and leadership. This core four does not have what it takes to get the job done. This was another WASTED opportunity. Trade Marner while his trade value is high.
Mitch Marner (Trade or Keep)?
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Fogelhund
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Trade for what though? I'd certainly be open to it.. but it might not be the easiest deal to do.
The challenge would be to find a new setup guy... I'm not sure who people are thinking could fill that gap at all... thoughts, ideas?
Marner to Ducks for #2 and Comtois? Sure... I'd do that. Would they.... probably not... but it's really just the #2 for Marner to them, as Comtois isn't going to be signed by them.
The challenge would be to find a new setup guy... I'm not sure who people are thinking could fill that gap at all... thoughts, ideas?
Marner to Ducks for #2 and Comtois? Sure... I'd do that. Would they.... probably not... but it's really just the #2 for Marner to them, as Comtois isn't going to be signed by them.
Super Mega
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I think this is the issue and these boards trades are rarely realistic.
The starting point is who could really use Marner, this is likely a competing team that has a hole at RW.
So when I hear Columbus, anaheim, etc. I just don't see why those teams who are not actively competing would trade futures for the possibility of making the playoffs. Maybe I am wrong but I just don't see it.
My first thought would be the Rangers, if Tarasenko and Kane walk they were obviously trying to address a hole at RW, having such a strong LW and solid center core, I think Marner fits like a glove. Lots of options on that roster for Toronto too
Da Cool Rula
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I'm not sure this is not just the result of playing in Toronto during playoff pressure. They can't handle it. The media, fans etc...
MAYBE part of it
Takes a certain person to be able to handle that pressure
MAYBE part of it
Takes a certain person to be able to handle that pressure
Gary Nylund
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I don't give a shit about equal value, I want a team that can compete in the playoffs. Team is the operative word here, what we have now is a bunch of individuals and hard to see us winning like that.
Sittler was traded for a bag of pucks, we don't have a nutcase running the team and we'd obviously get a ton back for Marner. What an godawful comparison, you should know better.
Super Mega
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For those that want to keep Marner, are you happy than to lose Nylander - JT isnt going anywhere so choose your poison
watching playoffs the past few years Nylander is the guy you keep
watching playoffs the past few years Nylander is the guy you keep
Fogelhund
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Columbus need a C... no chance they'd have interest in a RW, at the expense of drafting a C. I agree with you there.
Anaheim have Zegras and McTavish at C. They could really use an Elite Winger. Marner is at an age, that he's a building block... not just a playoff push.
Rangers have $11.7 mil in cap space with 14 guys signed. I can't see how they would possibly fit Marner in at all.
Da Cool Rula
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And a core(minus JT) that were selfish and only thought about themselves at contract time. I wonder if some of the other players just don't really care for them or want to play with there attitudes. Let alone stick up for them.
Da Cool Rula
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Yep but he's also selfish. Just like his dad at contract time. These guys only care about themselves.
And the leafs baby them. Do you think Torts would've put up with this? Not a chance and why Leafs would never get a coach like that. Might hurt these spoiled brats feelings.
Nylander will price himself out of a deal.
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Marner has 2 years, that makes a big difference value wise.
Marner last 12 elimination games: 3 points.
Nylander last 12 elimination games: 9 points.
Who plays with Matthews? Who plays PP1?
Marner last 12 elimination games: 3 points.
Nylander last 12 elimination games: 9 points.
Who plays with Matthews? Who plays PP1?
People know my thoughts on Marner, but even I know someone would take him at his contract
We should be able to get a good return for him.
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Yeah, i'm trading Mitch Marner to Columbus for Boone Jenner, Adam Boqvist, LA 2023 1st, CBJ 2023 3rd. Immediately fixes 2C problem and adds some big time toughness, adds an intriguing puck mover to the back-end, all of a sudden we have two 1sts and can either trade those for help now or package them to move up if we have an interesting player fall into the mid teens. Also opens up more than enough cap space for a Nylander extension. Plus we know Columbus has coveted Marner and considered offer-sheeting him.
thewave
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4m less a year. 70% more goals. Far better performances in high stakes / elimination games. The money alone suggests either Marner is under-producing or Nylander is over.
If you do the last 4 playoffs it looks better for Nylander as well.
They both suck in the playoffs, we shouldn't be happy with Nylander not even scratching ppg during elimination games. I mean if they want to give us a deal, Auston at 10, Marner at 9, Willie at 8, great, let's do it. Otherwise it's time to trade them away since thye love money so much and dgaf about winning.
Here are some other playoff performances;
Playoffs:
Mackinnon - 100pts in 77gp
McDavid - 75pts in 49gp
Matthews 44pts in 50gp
or Ottawa for Batherson, Jacob C. and 2024 1st rounder .. Ottawa needs to try to make playoffs and someone to feed Norris and Tzchuk .. da CAPS would work .. for Leafs we pick up 1M AAV and add a super fast RW and a 2nd pair 2way D man .. i think it could benefit both teams
The fact that Marner said he was not injured changes my mind.
He can’t perform under pressure in this town in the playoffs.
But he’s elite defensively and on the pk and was plus 7 .
Trading him would be a huge risk.
They will never get equal value back.
And the nightmare is if gets out of Toronto he will likely be a superstar anywhere else.
Tough decision.
He can’t perform under pressure in this town in the playoffs.
But he’s elite defensively and on the pk and was plus 7 .
Trading him would be a huge risk.
They will never get equal value back.
And the nightmare is if gets out of Toronto he will likely be a superstar anywhere else.
Tough decision.
the real Fox mulder
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I think the thought goes through all of our minds what if Auston, Willie and Mitch turn it around?
But we have to keep in mind, what they produced here is basically 8 years of first round failures (I'm personally deducting the first round win due to losing to the 17th best seed in the leauge in 5 in the 2nd round), so yeah honestly what are we really losing?
We would go from finishing top 4 in the east and then being eliminated May 1st to finishing 9-12th for a few years and being eliminated April 14th?
Zero accountability
Zero gaf
Honestly just looks like someone who has been a gifted athlete their entire life, personality wise I've just had enough. The arrogance and overall nonchalance for someone who just failed for nearly a decade is too much.
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My issues is that they should be listening and following up on available options. Did they even enquire about Tkachuk? Or Dubas is not interested in dealing? That is a disservice. Obviously something that isn’t working 6 + years need me re-evaluation. I can’t even say we are doing that. That is a problem.
We can't afford to carry 3 forwards in Matty Mitch and JT who can't skate fast enough and fight hard enough when it counts .. JT going nowhere .. so it comes down to Mitch or Matty to FIX team .. to me it is Mitch all day every day and twice on Sundays .. need to allocate Mitch's AAV to a younger bigger faster D who can control a game .. and then add some speed upfront too as we got a SLOW team .. and hopefully get a solid pick too for 2/3 years down da road .. Matty is a much tougher trade as you need 5 pieces back for a 1C including 3 #1 picks and a top pair D and likely a 2C (but that trade will cost team a playoff spot which is why it is unlikely)
Blanche Blanche
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Agreed. Stats don't tell all. Nice post.
1. Marner is the guy who loses the puck in the Ozone due to being pushed off the puck so it doesnt even register as a -1 on him
2.And the amount of times he just falls. Doesn't count as a -1 cause others have to help recover it or it just becomes a mangle of other sticks touching it.
Eye test you can see bravery, guts, grit. Corner Battles won.
Stats like Dubas first few years doing his Analytic speedster thing was just as faulted. Can't just do numbers. If it was jsut numbers we'd be a Stanley cup winner few times over.
Marner was HORRIFIC these playoffs. And doubly so for Round 2.
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The bunch of them got too much $ and had too much smoke blown their way too young.
They’ve listened to how great they are for so long they believe it themselves even though they have never made it to the top of the foothills let alone the mountain.
I honestly believe that Marner (and the rest) do care and do want to win but they literally don’t know what it takes. Not the stuff they talk about in cliches but what it really takes.
Unfortunately, with the way that this team has been built and how the core has been kept together, they are in a bit of an echo chamber. The mentors brought in to help them learn were losers themselves (Marleau, Thornton, Spezza although I liked him) and finally a cooked ROR who wasn’t but couldn’t push the dial.
Luckily, these guys are young enough that they may still have time to figure it out, but they really need someone to purge the cliches and country club atmosphere, hold them accountable, and kick them in the pants. The time for coddling has been gone for a few years now.
And JFC Mitch, you’re being paid 11 million a year, do you really need the money so bad that you present yourself looking like dumbass teenager with your hat on backwards like that? Maybe try and look professional for a while and if you pretend long enough it might just end up happening.
Now get off my lawn.
