Mitch Marner (Trade or Keep)?

[sunstersun]

trade one of the only players who showed up in the playoffs? 14 points in 11 games including a GWG which kept us in the series. selke trophy finalist 26 years old in his prime . plays top PP and PK first line winger on every team in the NHL.

yall cooked

6 points in the last 8 games. 4 points in 13 elimination games T_T

 

[koyvoo]

6 points in the last 8 games. 4 points in 13 elimination games T_T

4 goals in his last 35 playoffs games. Virtually nothing in the latter part of any series.

But you the the one who’s cooked, dogg.

 

[sunstersun]

4 goals in his last 35 playoffs games. Virtually nothing in the latter part of any series.

But you the the one who’s cooked, dogg.

All of his goals are some fluky blue line 12 year old wrist shot.

 

[Daisy Jane]

All of his goals are some fluky blue line 12 year old wrist shot.

... which are goals.
there aren't bonus points for the type of goal it is

 

[sunstersun]

... which are goals.
there aren't bonus points for the type of goal it is

No, but it does suggest he can't generate high quality offensive chances.

Because you know. You would score some goals that weren't completely luck based.

We're trying to analysis a player beyond the box score. Otherwise why even have a forum? Just list nhl.com stats.

 

[DuklaNation]

His softness is offensive.

 

[notdoneyet]

6 points in the last 8 games. 4 points in 13 elimination games T_T

Can you tell me how many points in the last 8 games for
Nylander
Matthews
Tavares
Same for elimination games
Just to compare

 

[sunstersun]

Can you tell me how many points in the last 8 games for
Nylander
Matthews
Tavares
Same for elimination games
Just to compare

Sure, before this playoffs, the statline in elimination games for the core 3.

11 games:

Nylander 8 points, Matthews 7, Marner 3. I counted game 3 as an elimination game for obvious reasons.

After the last 2 games. Nylander had 2 points, marner had 2. Matthews had 0.

Tally after 13 games.

Nylander 10 points, Matthews 7, Marner 5.

Tavares is too irrelevant to list.

edit: I was wrong Marner had another assist.

If you discount game 3 and only count elimination it's.

12 games 9 points for willy, 7 for Matthews, and 3 for Marner.

 

[Aashir]

No team with Matthews and JT up the middle is missing the playoffs. Get real.

Well if Matthews wrists continue to be more limp than a grandpa’s dick then yea it is easy to miss

Take this year, you could’ve replaced Matthews with almost any 1C and we don’t see much of a difference.

Replace Tavares with any 2C or PP specialist winger and ditto

Nylander struggled the last 15-20 games but prior to that there were only 10 wingers who you could swap him for that would’ve not made you worse

The number for Marner is like 4.

Matthews was easily the least important player this season

 

[ULF_55]

In the playoffs against Montreal and against Florida.

Is it Matthews or marner?

I don't think we'd be going too far out on a limb to suggest it is the combination.

And the combination is due to coaching.

Now I cannot verify the following, but there seems to be evidence to support this.
From appearance it looked like one of the top 7 paid players in the league had a less than professional reaction to the coach treating him as less than the anointed/without fault one. And the coach had to issue an apology to placate said player.

Did the coach really own the room or was he only in charge of some of the players?

First casualty has to be Keefe.

 

[TheBigThree]

Marner is the softest player in the NHL. You trade him asap before his NMC kicks in

 

[Antropovsky]

Marner is the softest player in the NHL. You trade him asap before his NMC kicks in

Marner game 5 VS Florida - 7 hits

Rest of playoffs - 10 hits

Glad he saved the grit for the last game.

 

[TheBigThree]

Can you tell me how many points in the last 8 games for
Nylander
Matthews
Tavares
Same for elimination games
Just to compare

Comparing him to other chokers does not make him good. Tell me how many series that core won in 7 years.

 

[Antropovsky]

In the playoffs against Montreal and against Florida.

Is it Matthews or marner?

I don't think we'd be going too far out on a limb to suggest it is the combination.

And the combination is due to coaching.

Now I cannot verify the following, but there seems to be evidence to support this.
From appearance it looked like one of the top 7 paid players in the league had a less than professional reaction to the coach treating him as less than the anointed/without fault one. And the coach had to issue an apology to placate said player.

Did the coach really own the room or was he only in charge of some of the players?

First casualty has to be Keefe.

I agree, Keefe and coaching was a significant problem. Leadership was also a problem. From top to bottom nobody knew how to deal with the pressure of Toronto.

 

[Doublerum1975]

Lol what a joke of a thread

 

[notdoneyet]

Comparing him to other chokers does not make him good. Tell me how many series that core won in 7 years.

My point is ALL these guys are chokers yet only one is getting crucified

 

[LeafEgo]

He was on borrowed time since he signed that contract - doomed by himself and Dubas. Priced himself out of this market. Sad to see.

 

[Blanche Blanche]

He was on borrowed time since he signed that contract - doomed by himself and Dubas. Priced himself out of this market. Sad to see.

That one’s on Dubas and Shanny. Letting the kid step on his own sh*t.

99% of all other NHL management was like WTF are you guys doing?

They saw all this a mile away and how the playoffs were going to test him being a small player with less bite.

We had our rebuild managed by a rookie GM and a Rookie Coach.

Babcock was right. And he was a pariah for it. He wanted Acciari, Schenn, McCabe, l’afférty , ROR

But Babs got Johnsson, Kerfoot, kappanen, Giraffe, petan, marincin

Lmaooooooooo

 

[saffronleaf]

he and his dad are losers. trade him asap.

 

[thewave]

Sure, before this playoffs, the statline in elimination games for the core 3.

11 games:

Nylander 8 points, Matthews 7, Marner 3. I counted game 3 as an elimination game for obvious reasons.

After the last 2 games. Nylander had 2 points, marner had 2. Matthews had 0.

Tally after 13 games.

Nylander 10 points, Matthews 7, Marner 5.

Tavares is too irrelevant to list.

edit: I was wrong Marner had another assist.

If you discount game 3 and only count elimination it's.

12 games 9 points for willy, 7 for Matthews, and 3 for Marner.

I would base my entire trade / draft philosophy off of this just to see. Basically, only trade for high stakes performers and draft big game players and see what happens.

I agree, Keefe and coaching was a significant problem. Leadership was also a problem. From top to bottom nobody knew how to deal with the pressure of Toronto.

Toronto must be run with militant level discipline in all regards. Lou was correct. The players must also be compatible with that kind of regiment. Not everyone can hack it.

 

[mikeyz]

So much for accountability. I really think it's time for the changes to be made. The 4 player 40+m model isn't going to get us a cup.

If Tampa wasn't as mile driven as they were from the last 3 years and if Hedman and Cernak were anywhere near 100% we wouldn't have even won a round.

Hell. Even with all of that stuff that Tampa was dealing with, they still badly outplayed us in 5 out of the 6 games and nearly beat us.

 

[ORRFForever]

If Tampa wasn't as mile driven as they were from the last 3 years and if Hedman and Cernak were anywhere near 100% we wouldn't have even won a round.

Hell. Even with all of that stuff that Tampa was dealing with, they still badly outplayed us in 5 out of the 6 games and nearly beat us.

True.

 

[Gabriel426]

If Tampa wasn't as mile driven as they were from the last 3 years and if Hedman and Cernak were anywhere near 100% we wouldn't have even won a round.

Hell. Even with all of that stuff that Tampa was dealing with, they still badly outplayed us in 5 out of the 6 games and nearly beat us.

Well that’s a reason why they won 2 cups and made it to the Finals the past three seasons.

 

[thewave]

If Tampa wasn't as mile driven as they were from the last 3 years and if Hedman and Cernak were anywhere near 100% we wouldn't have even won a round.

Hell. Even with all of that stuff that Tampa was dealing with, they still badly outplayed us in 5 out of the 6 games and nearly beat us.

I agree

 

[Antropovsky]

That one’s on Dubas and Shanny. Letting the kid step on his own sh*t.

99% of all other NHL management was like WTF are you guys doing?

They saw all this a mile away and how the playoffs were going to test him being a small player with less bite.

We had our rebuild managed by a rookie GM and a Rookie Coach.

Babcock was right. And he was a pariah for it. He wanted Acciari, Schenn, McCabe, l’afférty , ROR

But Babs got Johnsson, Kerfoot, kappanen, Giraffe, petan, marincin

Lmaooooooooo

100% Dubas outsmarted himself

Kadri liked Babs.. And gives him credit for modinf him into the player he became (how many players would look back and credit Keefe for his.coaching)
And he can see both sides of coach Mike Babcock’s tactics to mould him into a harder-working, defensively responsible pivot, crediting the tactician for his attention to detail and game-planning against specific opposition.

Until Babcock arrived on the scene, remember, it would be nearly laughable to consider Kadri a shutdown specialist.

“Babs did what he did. He tried to get the group to the best position as possible. I think he deserves a little bit of credit, you know, even though I think it was maybe time for a change over there to spark the team,” Kadri said.

Kadri was asked if Babcock crossed lines in order to motivate, the most extreme public example being Mitch Marner’s list.

“Sometimes,” Kadri replied. “Babs is a good coach. Sometimes his methods, I think, weren’t the greatest. So that’s just the fine line between players and coaches. I think as a coach, you have to take that responsibility to kind of have your players’ backs and that’s when you get the best from them