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Mitch Marner (Trade or Keep)?

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Trade or Keep Marner?

  • Trade Marner

    Votes: 420 67.5%

  • Keep Marner

    Votes: 183 29.4%

  • Other (explain)

    Votes: 19 3.1%
  • Total voters
    622
Gary Nylund said:
Yet you refuse to answer the question - what in your opinion is a fair contract for Marner? On an 8 year deal, is 14mm fair? Or is that too much, or too little?

Easy to criticize everyone without taking a stance yourself so how about you put up or shut up.
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Opining on a new contract now before the next 2 seasons with a rising salary cap is not what rational people do. For me it's a multivariate equation that lacks data. For you it is clearly a bitch fest motivated act of futile trolling.
In the summer before Marners contract, I gave a reasoned explanation 1 year out backed by several follow up posts...

Post in thread 'Marner's Next Contract' Marner's Next Contract

Easy to say there were a lot of idiots back then saying I was full of it. Interesting it was the range of his ask that Dubas rejected. Truth is that you are and have been in good company because you have no idea how this shit works. Reason and numbers work, not flexing, vitriol and bitching against one of the best players to ever wear the blue and white.
 
Antropovsky said:
notdoneyet said:
Pasternak will make 11.25
Matthews asking for 13/14

Who in their right mind thinks that matthews is worth 2.75/3.75 more than pasternak

What could we do with thay extra money

If we did this with matthews then marner would have no choice but accept less also

If that is matthews ask then trade him immediately
Because money is more important than the team


Still doesn’t explain why matthews should make more than pasternak
Cant keep making excuses for this guys failure and criticizing
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Notsince67 said:
Wait a second. Pasta had one better regular season than Marner and a worse post season and Marner deserves less? 11.25mm at a cap of 81.5mm vs a 90mm cap?
We are talking about a contract beginning on the third season from now.
Like I said...12mm quite easily if Marner decides to leave money on the table.
You need to step off the ledge
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FYI - the bolded is what's known as expressing an opinion.

Notsince67 said:
Opining on a new contract now before the next 2 seasons with a rising salary cap is not what rational people do. For me it's a multivariate equation that lacks data. For you it is clearly a bitch fest motivated act of futile trolling.
In the summer before Marners contract, I gave a reasoned explanation 1 year out backed by several follow up posts...

Post in thread 'Marner's Next Contract' Marner's Next Contract

Easy to say there were a lot of idiots back then saying I was full of it. Interesting it was the range of his ask that Dubas rejected. Truth is that you are and have been in good company because you have no idea how this shit works. Reason and numbers work, not flexing, vitriol and bitching against one of the best players to ever wear the blue and white.
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So you're not a rational person, got it. That explains a lot. :laugh::laugh:
 
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Fogelhund said:
I certainly agree with those people, who suggest that if these players took less, we'd be able to ice a better, more balanced team.

I keep coming back to Matthews shooting issues though, and his alleged injured wrist. If Matthews was fully healthy, and shooting the way he can... are we having this exact same conversation? If Matty scores 3-4 more goals, it's possible we are going more than two rounds. If Matty is scoring more goals, then Marner is also putting up more assists... and then they both look better, and the team does better.

Without Matthews having his elite shooting ability, neither Marner, nor Matthews deserve raises. Without Matthews elite shooting ability, this team as constructed isn't going anywhere, at any point. To me, if Matthews doesn't return to the 21/22 regular season shooter, and find a way to also be that guy in the playoffs, the rest of these conversations are pretty meaningless. You pay that guy this rumoured $12-14 mil, and he has this messed up wrist... It's just a no for me... We finally get an elite C, and he has wrist issues... this franchise is cursed.
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Good post!
 
notdoneyet said:
Why should matthews get more than pasternak
Matthews is the guy to trade
He doesn’t have that extra gear to be a game changer
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He shouldn't necessarily get more than Pasta, but he's a centre, big body and a goal scorer (especially if he gets his wrist fixed). At the minimal cap difference, I think he's much more valuable than Marner.

Marner is the one we should trade.
 
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CabanaBoy5 said:
Time will show that Dubas has done a lot more harm than good during the last 5 years.
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Looking at our playoff failures and the alarmingly few quality draft picks we have left, it seems like that will be extremely easy to do (and let’s not forget those horrendous contracts he gave to Matthews and Marner!
My bad, you were saying the same thing as what I replied to you.
 
Jamason said:
He shouldn't necessarily get more than Pasta, but he's a centre, big body and a goal scorer (especially if he gets his wrist fixed). At the minimal cap difference, I think he's much more valuable than Marner.

Marner is the one we should trade.
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It’s marners next contract that really scares me to be honest not soo much this contract since he likes to size up Matthew soo much hence the reason he should have been up for a new contract before matty so he couldn’t match him
 
yubbers said:
That kinda logic is our problem. Just because other contracts are shit doesn't mean we keep signing them. LOL
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I wasn't using it as an argument that he should be paid that - just trying to add a little perspective.

I think a reasonable amount for him would be $8.5. Mitch a bit less, Matty around $11, and JT right now is worth about $5.
 
Notsince67 said:
Basic math for the ill equipped. Salary cap will be at least 92mm by 25-26.
Do your cap percentages and project the steep rise up to 8 years later as every team does. It isn't really that hard despite your idiotic invective. They want him for 8 years, they will also service his dog with a canine whore every other day.
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I understand that logic, but why can’t it be built into the player’s contract that the amount will increase or decrease based on whether the cap rises or falls? I know, that will never happen, and I understand why.
 
Jamason said:
I wasn't using it as an argument that he should be paid that - just trying to add a little perspective.

I think a reasonable amount for him would be $8.5. Mitch a bit less, Matty around $11, and JT right now is worth about $5.
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Fair play :)

My issue with the WIlly contract wasn't even the $ amount. It was the principle of not being comparable to Pasta. Then of course it turned into a game of chicken that Dubas lost. ANd Willy came back completely out of shape and useless. Credit where due that he never let that happen again. ALmost went the opposite direction getting turbo jacked.

Willy was the butterfly effect that sent this entire thing sideways imho. Besides hiring Dubas entirely that is. It set such a bad standard as one of the 1st moves our rookie GM was in charge of.

Would you pay Willy 10 ignoring our cap crunch? If you had some room to wor with would you sign that deal?
 
What could be really fun would be if every player on the team, after the playoffs, gave an anonymous list of what they thought every player (including himself) should be paid next year. Either with or without the requirement that the totals equal the cap.
 
yubbers said:
Fair play :)

My issue with the WIlly contract wasn't even the $ amount. It was the principle of not being comparable to Pasta. Then of course it turned into a game of chicken that Dubas lost. ANd Willy came back completely out of shape and useless. Credit where due that he never let that happen again. ALmost went the opposite direction getting turbo jacked.

Willy was the butterfly effect that sent this entire thing sideways imho. Besides hiring Dubas entirely that is. It set such a bad standard as one of the 1st moves our rookie GM was in charge of.

Would you pay Willy 10 ignoring our cap crunch? If you had some room to wor with would you sign that deal?
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Yes, that first year of the contract was bad in several ways, but beyond that, it's been pretty fair.

But I do think it was more JT's contract (which was signed earlier, and Dubas' first big move) that really started the descent into madness.
 
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Jamason said:
Yes, that first year of the contract was bad in several ways, but beyond that, it's been pretty fair.

But I do think it was more JT's contract (which was signed earlier, and Dubas' first big move) that really started the descent into madness.
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That's actually the one thing I don't ride Dubas too hard for. Even though it sucks now.

That's a pretty hard one to walk away from. Giving him the C was a mistake though. Pretty sure that guaranteed AM would walk at the end of his contract. We'll find out soon enough.
 
sylejman said:
Trade marner for Dubois 1st and prospect. We save some money on Dubois and get a little more physical.
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Jets would probably do that, but I don’t believe Marner would agree to an extension there.
I forgot, Dubois supposedly will only sign in Montreal. Leafs refuse.
 
Notsince67 said:
Wake me when I should really worry about Montreal and Ottawa because I am so losing sleep over not being competitive with them.
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You should be worried about them already. Because if they manage to sneak into the playoffs and play the Leafs, my money is on both of those teams
 
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As much as this thread, the Matthews thread, and any other 'trade the core' thread may be to take part in, please know that they're simply gonna run it back.

They cannot help themselves with how much they overvalue their players, it shows in the contract and in the way they're coddled. It will take Shanny getting fired or one of the core leaving as UFAs for a change.

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TheDoldrums said:
I am absolutely dying at people fearing a team lead by Nick Suzuki and Cole Caufield. "Similar game impact" lmfao
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Are you forgetting that that team led by those guys beat the Leafs in the playoffs just 2 years ago?
 
Racer88 said:
Why would you think that. There are a lot of teams that make the playoffs , go further than us and one of them is going to win the cup. The thing that they all have in common is none of them have Matthews or Marner.
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There are lots of teams that don't make the playoffs and have no chance at winning the Cup year after year. The thing that they all have in common is none of them have Matthews or Marner.
 
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