Mitch Marner (Trade or Keep)?

[Nineteen67]

What type of help?

Big strong D and forwards

 

[ToneDog]

Big strong D and forwards

Doubt you can you find them at the Dollar store. How can they demand all they got and when the rubber hits the road, ask for more help than they have already been given ?? Time for 16 and 34 to have a hard look in the mirror.

I don't care about MM point totals. He can't score when you need it.

Matthews is probably responsible for our failure but he got the potential to score 20 in playoffs and win you SC.

Can you say the same about Marner?

Kicked Kadri, who bled blue and white, to the curb for letting his emotions get the best of him and not putting up with crap from the Bruins and kept the p***yes and traded Kadri for two more p***yes. Well done Kyle.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Doubt you can you find them at the Dollar store. How can they demand all they got and when the rubber hits the road, ask for more help than they have already been given ?? Time for 16 and 34 to have a hard look in the mirror.


Kicked Kadri, who bled blue and white, to the curb for letting his emotions get the best of him and not putting up with crap from the Bruins and kept the p***yes and traded Kadri for two more p***yes. Well done Kyle.

Time will show that Dubas has done a lot more harm than good during the last 5 years.

 

[Arzak]

The Leafs would lick Marners nuts and pay him 12MM. The only one who keeps Marner from that amount is Marner leaving money on the table.

Are we talking about this universe?


@12mill Marner left money on the table? How much exactly?
I guess his fair value is being the highest-paid player in the league if 12 is leaving money on the table.


Mitch is barely worth his current contract and I'll presume the nuts-licking is theoretical at best

 

[Racer88]

100 per cent matthews is our problem
He is our highest paid player
He is anointed as our best player.
He may not be the captain but everyone
Looks to him as being the best player to lead us.

Playoff failure all 7 years is on him more than any others. Cant score the big goal when needed and cant take the team on his back like other top players in the league.

100% accurate

 

[Maple Leaf]

100% accurate

No you gotta pay mat low commensurate with the playoff success

 

[Nineteen67]

Doubt you can you find them at the Dollar store. How can they demand all they got and when the rubber hits the road, ask for more help than they have already been given ?? Time for 16 and 34 to have a hard look in the mirror.


Kicked Kadri, who bled blue and white, to the curb for letting his emotions get the best of him and not putting up with crap from the Bruins and kept the p***yes and traded Kadri for two more p***yes. Well done Kyle.

They need to draft them and pick them up as they go. I suspect it’ll take a few yrs to fill the roster, which is why 3 year deals for AM or WN are not good. if their window opens after JT contract expires, they can’t be negotiating another contract with them.

 

[Notsince67]

Are we talking about this universe?


@12mill Marner left money on the table? How much exactly?
I guess his fair value is being the highest-paid player in the league if 12 is leaving money on the table.


Mitch is barely worth his current contract and I'll presume the nuts-licking is theoretical at best

Basic math for the ill equipped. Salary cap will be at least 92mm by 25-26.
Do your cap percentages and project the steep rise up to 8 years later as every team does. It isn't really that hard despite your idiotic invective. They want him for 8 years, they will also service his dog with a canine whore every other day.

 

[egd27]

Basic math for the ill equipped. Salary cap will be at least 92mm by 25-26.
Do your cap percentages and project the steep rise up to 8 years later as every team does. It isn't really that hard despite your idiotic invective. They want him for 8 years, they will also service his dog with a canine whore every other day.

$83.5M to "at least" $92M in 2 years? Based on what ?

 

[Notsince67]

$83.5M to "at least" $92M in 2 years? Based on what ?

Based on projections. Cap hasn't moved to pay back the escrow due to the covid shutdowns.

 

[Mad hatter]

Kicked Kadri, who bled blue and white, to the curb for letting his emotions get the best of him and not putting up with crap from the Bruins and kept the p***yes and traded Kadri for two more p***yes. Well done Kyle.

Kadri was definitely my favourite leaf player since probably Tucker, Wendel is definitely my all time favourite player. I was sad when they traded Kadri but I understand why they did it. Imho we would have won both of those series if Kadri had of been in the lineup played. Problem that I have after that though is the core 4, Keefe, Dubas and Shanahan are costing us playoff series without any consequences that I’ve seen. Keefe, Dubas and Shanahan all need to go and the core 4 needs a shake up. If Kadri was punished the for what he did twice but not the others then should have kept him because the results were still the same. I don’t feel tweaks are needed. I feel some big changes are needed to push this team in the right direction.

 

[slozo]

I am shocked and saddened at this vote….crazy.

Just crazy…nothing else to say.

 

[Mad hatter]

I am shocked and saddened at this vote….crazy.

Just crazy…nothing else to say.

I voted trade but not because of his regular season play but playoff performances. Marner is probably one of the best leafs of all time but something needs to change and Nylander is a better goal scorer. Nylander contract demands could make me change my vote though. Bringing back the same 3, 11 million dollar players every year with the same failures doesn’t make sense imho. JT is not tradable and Matthews I’d keep over Marner that’s my reason for my vote.

 

[Captain Crunch]

The Leafs would lick Marners nuts and pay him 12MM. The only one who keeps Marner from that amount is Marner leaving money on the table.

So if he wants to win, he’ll take a hometown discount to help the team out, if he just wants the money, he won’t.

 

[IPS]

I am absolutely dying at people fearing a team lead by Nick Suzuki and Cole Caufield. "Similar game impact" lmfao

How'd our series go against them again?

Who scored more goals again? Marner/Matthews or Suzuki/Caufield?

Wake me when I should really worry about Montreal and Ottawa because I am so losing sleep over not being competitive with them.

Montreal makes the playoffs they probably eliminate us again.

The Leafs would lick Marners nuts and pay him 12MM. The only one who keeps Marner from that amount is Marner leaving money on the table.

Marner at a half a million less than Mackinnon despite not being half the player Mack is. NO thanks.

 

[mikeyz]

Time will show that Dubas has done a lot more harm than good during the last 5 years.

Ohhhh 100%!!!!!!

 

[Racer88]

The Leafs would lick Marners nuts and pay him 12MM. The only one who keeps Marner from that amount is Marner leaving money on the table.

How much if they just pay him and skip the first part

 

[Racer88]

Basic math for the ill equipped. Salary cap will be at least 92mm by 25-26.
Do your cap percentages and project the steep rise up to 8 years later as every team does. It isn't really that hard despite your idiotic invective. They want him for 8 years, they will also service his dog with a canine whore every other day.

I was actually laughing out loud reading this…….the last line that is

 

[notDatsyuk]

I dunno - if AM is signed for top dollar MM.will want the same. Can't keep having the core fail taking up half the cap

Not quite true.

The cap is about $83M.

The core four (AM, MM, MR, and WN) make $37M.

The three highest paid (AM, JT, and MM) make $33.5M.

The four highest paid (AM, JT, MM, and MR) make $41M.

I agree that it's ridiculous, not to mention totally ineffective, to pay three forwards $33.5M.

 

[Racer88]

I would trade any or all of them for the right deal.
The only thing they have shown is that they can lose by a different excuse every year

Basic math for the ill equipped. Salary cap will be at least 92mm by 25-26.
Do your cap percentages and project the steep rise up to 8 years later as every team does. It isn't really that hard despite your idiotic invective. They want him for 8 years, they will also service his dog with a canine whore every other day.

Does it really make sense if the cap goes up to just give the same guys even more money thus negating any benefits of a rising cap. It puts us in the same losing formula

 

[notDatsyuk]

11games this year

MM 3-11 14 points +7 and 18 hits
AM 5-6 11 points +3 and 38 hits
WN 4-6. 10 points -4 and 3 hits
JT 4-4. 8 points -1 and 26 hits

And posters on here think marner is the problem lol

And if you look at just the last eight, when the games got tougher:

MR 3-4 7 points, +6
AM 4-2 6 points -1
WN 2-4 6 points -4
MM 1-5 6 points +3
JT 1-3 4 points +1
RO'R 1-3 4 points -2

The least effective of the core four, and he got less effective the longer the playoffs lasted.

Obviously JT was more of the problem, and part of why Nylander's numbers weren't better (that and him being moved to PP2).

 

[notDatsyuk]

Just as many as nylander and more than matthews and tavares

Yes - third best of the core four, and his centre was way down the list.

 

[sylejman]

Trade marner for Dubois 1st and prospect. We save some money on Dubois and get a little more physical.

 

[notDatsyuk]

100 per cent matthews is our problem
He is our highest paid player
He is anointed as our best player.
He may not be the captain but everyone
Looks to him as being the best player to lead us.

Playoff failure all 7 years is on him more than any others. Cant score the big goal when needed and cant take the team on his back like other top players in the league.

I'd say it's more the combination of Matthews and Marner.

The two highest paid of the core four, and the two who play on the top line and the top PP (often with Rielly), and between them they have come up very short.

 

[Notsince67]

I would trade any or all of them for the right deal.
The only thing they have shown is that they can lose by a different excuse every year


Does it really make sense if the cap goes up to just give the same guys even more money thus negating any benefits of a rising cap. It puts us in the same losing formula

It's just business. I remember when Ricky Henderson signed one of baseballs biggest contracts at 3mm. Hockey is going through some pretty large growth now. 12mm is going to be nothing pretty soon.