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Mitch Marner (Trade or Keep)?

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Trade or Keep Marner?

  • Trade Marner

    Votes: 420 67.5%

  • Keep Marner

    Votes: 183 29.4%

  • Other (explain)

    Votes: 19 3.1%
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Trapper said:
I’m just going on high end/worst case. If you can reduce that, all the better. You won’t be reducing Marner. Whatever number Matthews starts with (12,13,14) you can bet Mick Marner is me too thanks.
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I imagine both Matthews and Marner getting about 1-1.5M raises each. So maybe 12.75 for Auston, and 12 for Mitch
 
Trapper said:
These players are 1 contract ahead of where they should have been IMO.
Last time it should have been:
Matthews 10 (like Eichel)
Marner 8.5
Nylander 6.9 (where he is was fine)
And maybe with more years attached.

Now where they are, is what the next round should look like.
Matthews 12, Marner 10, Nylander 8.5

Maybe we would have afforded just a little better depth and be talking about getting by the conference final like Carolina is, instead of hoping to just win the first round again.

That of course assumes you believe the core is built proper for playoffs (which I don’t) but that’s a better structure IMO.
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Marner was never going to get 8.5mm unless they signed a year earlier. Even in retrospect, the last 4 years, he is 7th in the league in scoring, has 2 1st team all Stars and is a selke finalist. This take is brutal.
 
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My preference would be to keep him long term if he is willing to negotiate a contract extension in good faith to benefit the team.

If not, he should be traded for the maximum return next off season.
 
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Notsince67 said:
Marner was never going to get 8.5mm unless they signed a year earlier. Even in retrospect, the last 4 years, he is 7th in the league in scoring, has 2 1st team all Stars and is a selke finalist. This take is brutal.
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Not my fault the Leafs can’t manage salaries and set cap. He was still a 20 goal scorer on the signing. Brutal take.
How many points/goals did Point,Rantanen,Draisaitl,Pastrnak,Aho,MacKinnon, etc. have vs. salary over the last 4/5 years?
Nobody made 10 mil.
 
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Trapper said:
Not my fault the Leafs can’t manage salaries and set cap. He was still a 20 goal scorer on the signing. Brutal take.
How many points/goals did Point,Rantanen,Draisaitl,Pastrnak,Aho,MacKinnon, etc. have vs. salary over the last 4/5 years?
Nobody made 10 mil.
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Specious. Mac got a pretty generous contract due to timing. Marner outplayed all of them prior to a rfa contract.
And what nobody including yourself will admit is that Marners points come while facing on average the toughest quality of competition on the team...defensemen included. He is the glue of the team. And he should make 8.5mm???
Give me a break. It is just an absurd claim.
 
TheDoldrums said:
yeah good luck going far with Tavares as 1C and ROR as 2C
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The points is that this team with those contracts can not and will not win. It's not a good enough team and we will have even less cap if they re-sign here. The only thing you get back is JTs contract expiring.
 
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The reality is that we just cannot stay competitive when our divisional rivals are locking up players like Caufield, Stutzle, Norris, Tkachuk, Suzuki for significantly cheaper for a similar game impact. We can't be 30-40% higher in salary for a 10% better player, and expect to match up with these teams elsewhere in our lineups.
 
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Clownfish said:
The reality is that we just cannot stay competitive when our divisional rivals are locking up players like Caufield, Stutzle, Norris, Tkachuk, Suzuki for significantly cheaper for a similar game impact. We can't be 30-40% higher in salary for a 10% better player, and expect to match up with these teams elsewhere in our lineups.
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I am absolutely dying at people fearing a team lead by Nick Suzuki and Cole Caufield. "Similar game impact" lmfao
 
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TheDoldrums said:
I am absolutely dying at people fearing a team lead by Nick Suzuki and Cole Caufield. "Similar game impact" lmfao
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Caufield has been very good under MSL, and definitely has it in him to hit 40-50 goals. I'd be very happy with a young player with a penchant for big goals at sub 8m.

Habs have a very decent farm as well. It's fun to shit on them, but there is no escaping that they are building a very strong foundation, brick by brick. Thank God they didn't get a top 2 pick this year.
 
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Clownfish said:
Caufield has been very good under MSL, and definitely has it in him to hit 40-50 goals. I'd be very happy with a young player with a penchant for big goals at sub 8m.

Habs have a very decent farm as well. It's fun to shit on them, but there is no escaping that they are building a very strong foundation, brick by brick. Thank God they didn't get a top 2 pick this year.
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They are probably going to add Dubois soon. If the rumours of him wanting Montreal are true.
 
Clownfish said:
Caufield has been very good under MSL, and definitely has it in him to hit 40-50 goals. I'd be very happy with a young player with a penchant for big goals at sub 8m.

Habs have a very decent farm as well. It's fun to shit on them, but there is no escaping that they are building a very strong foundation, brick by brick. Thank God they didn't get a top 2 pick this year.
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Caufield has scored a lot of goals under MSL while still being abysmal defensively.



The Habs get caved in on shots/chances when he and Suzuki are on the ice. He's not close to the impact on the game as someone like Marner, Selke nominee who also puts up more points.

Slaf hasn't shown anything, Caufield/Suzuki are very far from complete players so I don't think their foundation is anything scary. Ottawa and especially Buffalo have a lot more upside and will be the scarier opponents going forward imo
 
TheDoldrums said:
Caufield has scored a lot of goals under MSL while still being abysmal defensively.



The Habs get caved in on shots/chances when he and Suzuki are on the ice. He's not close to the impact on the game as someone like Marner, Selke nominee who also puts up more points.

Slaf hasn't shown anything, Caufield/Suzuki are very far from complete players so I don't think their foundation is anything scary. Buffalo and Ottawa have far more to work with imo.
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I imagine their on ice numbers will get better as the team improves. I think you are underestimating them.

And yes, Ottawa and Buffalo are the bigger short term threats. Both did a much better job locking in their young stars than we did.

It's mind blowing that Dahlin is close to signing a 10m x 8 year deal, right ebfore the cap skyrockets, and the best we could accomplish was 11 x 5 or 6 years. Thompson, Cozens and Dahlin will make a combined 25m, all on long term deals.
 
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Clownfish said:
The reality is that we just cannot stay competitive when our divisional rivals are locking up players like Caufield, Stutzle, Norris, Tkachuk, Suzuki for significantly cheaper for a similar game impact. We can't be 30-40% higher in salary for a 10% better player, and expect to match up with these teams elsewhere in our lineups.
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Wake me when I should really worry about Montreal and Ottawa because I am so losing sleep over not being competitive with them.
 
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TheDoldrums said:
well that was the conversation I was quoting that you've interjected into
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Fair enough but any conversation about getting rid of one or all of the core 4 should take into account the additions. That said I will acknowledge that we have no idea who the additions would be.
I guess the point I am making is that Marner and Matthews are not irreplaceable from a winning a cup stand point or actually a 100% necessary pair.
if that’s not the conversation that you were having I will bow out now
 
Racer88 said:
Fair enough but any conversation about getting rid of one or all of the core 4 should take into account the additions. That said I will acknowledge that we have no idea who the additions would be.
I guess the point I am making is that Marner and Matthews are not irreplaceable from a winning a cup stand point or actually a 100% necessary pair.
if that’s not the conversation that you were having I will bow out now
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Elite big centers are hard to replace. But small wingers aren't.
 
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Racer88 said:
Why would you think that. There are a lot of teams that make the playoffs , go further than us and one of them is going to win the cup. The thing that they all have in common is none of them have Matthews or Marner.
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We lose our great players, bet your life we are not a playoff team. Or were you excited about the start of the 2014 season?
 
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TheDoldrums said:
I am absolutely dying at people fearing a team lead by Nick Suzuki and Cole Caufield. "Similar game impact" lmfao
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I don't fear a team led by Suzuki and Caufield, but the truth is they had more of an impact than Matthews and Marner when we played the Habs in the playoffs. Matthews and Marner are obviously the better players, but they didn't have it when it mattered most. Regular season success isn't the end game.

I agree that we should be paying our star players commensurate salaries relative to the rest of the league. Not asking for a discount, just a fair deal for both sides that allows the team cap flexibility. If guys like Suzuki and Caufield are in the 8 million AVV range, it's reasonable to pay Matthews and Marner 11-12 million per season. We'll see if they're willing.
 
al secord said:
We lose our great players, bet your life we are not a playoff team. Or were you excited about the start of the 2014 season?
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Ya maybe you are right, I still can’t believe that 15 other teams made the playoffs without Matthews or Marner………how can that be……must be magic.
 
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