Mitch Marner (Trade or Keep)?

[ToneDog]

Marner joined literally after the team finished last in the league. Have never missed the playoffs. Ottawa has been rebuilding for how long?

I do not blame Brady for the Sens lack of success since he got there. Matthews, Marner and Nylander hitting the ground running is definitely the reason we've made the playoffs since they got here and also the reason we could not get them on the cheap like MacKinnon, Hughes, Thompson etc.

Either way IMO our top 6 is lacking what Brady brings to the table. You gotta give to get. The same thing is true for whoever wants Marner.

 

[Notsince67]

I do not blame Brady for the Sens lack of success since he got there. Matthews, Marner and Nylander hitting the ground running is definitely the reason we've made the playoffs since they got here and also the reason we could not get them on the cheap like MacKinnon, Hughes, Thompson etc.

Either way IMO our top 6 is lacking what Brady brings to the table. You gotta give to get. The same thing is true for whoever wants Marner.

The old saying is that in a trade, the team that gets the best player wins the trade. In a proposal to trade Marner for Brady T, you aren't even getting the best senator. You plan on winning the trade by targeting the second best forward of a team that can't get into the playoffs?
Please stop.

 

[Leafsfan74]

Should we bring up the Kessel, Schenn, Kadri and Bozak era as well? Everyone wanted them all traded as well, they all went on to win cups. Not good enough for the Leafs but good enough to win a cup on other teams...go figure.

Yeah but they didn't have seven straight years of being eliminated early.in the playoffs and they defiinitely didn't make $10M a year in the cap era.

Something has to give, Marner is the most obvious choice. I would have moved on after the Habs series but that's just me. A year earlier if I was wise enough to grab Pietriangelo when he was a Free Agent.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Should we bring up the Kessel, Schenn, Kadri and Bozak era as well? Everyone wanted them all traded as well, they all went on to win cups. Not good enough for the Leafs but good enough to win a cup on other teams...go figure.

wtf does that even mean ? They went on to better teams simple as that

 

[1specter]

Why Maple Leafs fell short again and what to do with Matthews, Marner

So another disappointing end to a Maple Leafs season comes with huge off-season questions. Justin Bourne looks at exactly why this year's group fell short again, and explores what it should mean for Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner, and more.

www.sportsnet.ca

Great article here which tangibly shows why Marner is far less effective in playoffs.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

If we’re moving one of the big 3, it has to be him.

Matthews wants $15M which is insane.
Marner would want $14M to be close to his buddy.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Why Maple Leafs fell short again and what to do with Matthews, Marner

So another disappointing end to a Maple Leafs season comes with huge off-season questions. Justin Bourne looks at exactly why this year's group fell short again, and explores what it should mean for Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner, and more.

www.sportsnet.ca

Great article here which tangibly shows why Marner is far less effective in playoffs.

Accurate!

 

[NVious]

So Marner is measured as a goal scorer now. You really are a nubie at this aren't you?

No Marner can be measured any way you want;
5 goals in 35 games strike one
Below ppg career playoffs strike two
7 first round losses and 1 2nd round loss to the 17th ranked team strike three

All for the minimal cost of 11 million, soon to be 13+ million.

Are you satisfied with 8 first round eliminations?

 

[Smif]

wtf does that even mean ? They went on to better teams simple as that

So they're not good enough to play on the Leafs but they're good enough to play on a Stanley cup champion, how do you not understand that?

We have a loooong history of doing this time and time again.

 

[Legion34]

If we’re moving one of the big 3, it has to be him.

Matthews wants $15M which is insane.
Marner would want $14M to be close to his buddy.

You are just saying things that have no bearing in reality

 

[Gabriel426]

Would be hilarious if MM ends up going to the Oilers for Drai.
Bc Oilers needs another playmaker to help facilitate their depth to score goals. Being on a shutdown line with Hyman and Nuge while helping them with better chance to score. As Drai glue to McD. And McD can probably score more on his own instead of passing to Drai.

While Leafs gets the best playoffs scorer in the past few seasons who can play C but lose a bit on team defence.
AM then realize he can’t ask for the moon bc the Leafs just got a scorer as good as him and give a discount to sign for 12.34*8.

BTW, this is a joke, it won’t happen

I don’t think Leafs should trade any of the three before moving JT.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

You are just saying things that have no bearing in reality

You really don’t think Mitch will leverage Auston’s contract when he has to get re-signed the following year?

Let’s be real here. Mitch’s camp will argue that he’s worth the same as Auston.

They signed for less than $1M apart in 2019. Auston first, then Mitch shortly after.

It’ll be similar this time around if that’s the way it goes. Maybe $2M gap at most.

 

[Legion34]

You really don’t think Mitch will leverage Austin’s contract when he has to get re-signed the following year?

Let’s be real here. Mitch’s camp will argue that he’s worth the same as Auston.

They signed for less than $1M apart in 2019. Auston first, then Mitch shortly after.

It’ll be similar this time around if that’s the way it goes. Maybe $2M gap at most.

When did he sign a 15 million dollar deal

 

[Maple Leaf]

thews is worth less than marner

 

[ACC1224]

You really don’t think Mitch will leverage Austin’s contract when he has to get re-signed the following year?

Let’s be real here. Mitch’s camp will argue that he’s worth the same as Auston.

They signed for less than $1M apart in 2019. Auston first, then Mitch shortly after.

It’ll be similar this time around if that’s the way it goes. Maybe $2M gap at most.

He’s got a case for sure.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

When did he sign a 15 million dollar deal

When did you forget how to read.

I said “wants”. Not “signed”. See what Matthews is willing to sign for now and make moves accordingly prior to their NMC kicking in.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

He’s got a case for sure.

Absolutely. Which would put us in an even worse spot with the cap than we are now.

Tavares would be off the books but that money will be allocated elsewhere (Nylander/Knies, etc raises)

 

[Legion34]

When did you forget how to read.

I said “wants”. Not “signed”. See what Matthews is willing to sign for now and make moves accordingly prior to their NMC kicking in.

When did he say he wants a 15 million dollar deal?

You have just decided that Matthews wants something and that marner will want 1 million less than matthews wants…..

There is no evidence or speculation about this at all for any sources. Just he wants to make more than 12.6 on maybe a 4-5 year deal….. where is 15?

 

[jiggy35]

Somehow turning Marner into Cooley would be phenomenal. Az relocation could help in our favour. We get legit blue chip prospect who would help next year + Knies partner in crime + future Tavares replacement.

So unlikely but one of the few guys it actually makes sense to trade Marner for.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

When did he say he wants a 15 million dollar deal?

You have just decided that Matthews wants something and that marner will want 1 million less than matthews wants…..

There is no evidence or speculation about this at all for any sources. Just he wants to make more than 12.6 on maybe a 4-5 year deal….. where is 15?

That’s the number that’s been tossed around for a while now.

Kypreos brought it up during the season, Marek said he’s hearing around the $15M mark. Not the best sources, but it’s what is floating around now. Not something I randomly made up.

It’s been stated by many legit insiders that Matthews wants to be the highest paid player in the league. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think that he’ll push for $15M.

 

[Shooter2x]

I do not blame Brady for the Sens lack of success since he got there. Matthews, Marner and Nylander hitting the ground running is definitely the reason we've made the playoffs since they got here and also the reason we could not get them on the cheap like MacKinnon, Hughes, Thompson etc.

Either way IMO our top 6 is lacking what Brady brings to the table. You gotta give to get. The same thing is true for whoever wants Marner.

Don't worry. Leafs fan logic.

It's possible for Brady Tkachuk to be the root cause Senators can't make the playoffs, but impossible for Mitch Marner to be the root cause for our playoff failures.

Perhaps there's some middle ground instead, and Brady works better for our build and what we lack.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

If they can LTIR/trade Muzzin and Murray we would have enough cap space for the core 4, O'Reilly at 6, Orlov at 6, Schenn and Acciari and ZAR. And still have enough money for a Matthews and Nylander raise in 2024-25. Now if we could get Orlov and O'Reilly at 6 is another question.



Robbie-Matthews-Nylander
Knies-O'Reilly-Marner
McMann-Tavares-Jarnkrok
ZAR-Acciari-Lafferty

Rielly-Schenn
Orlov-Liljegren
McCabe-Brodie


Samsonov
Murray

And we will still win nothing. Will you people ever learn?

 

[57 Years No Cup]

He worked on that shot, and Jimmy came up with a tactical plan. I bet he would also like any trade Marner brings back the best return you could get. What's your plan? I'll take the guy who had a gun in his face. I am wrong you take Jimmy's plan or your plan and win that trade. So what's the Marner trade? Your original idea to trade him. I want Vega to go broke on how right you were too.

Kids, please, don't do drugs.

So after thinking this over more, not sure how you can move EITHER Matthews or Marner. Nylander will be the one to go even though I think he shouldn't be. Reasoning

- Like it or not, Marner is massively important to the team in the regular season and you need that to be a playoff team. Whatever line he is on is our top line, he is our best Pker and plays all situations. I don't see how we could replace that realistically in any trade we do. Would need a collection of lesser players instead of a hockey trade and that spells disaster more times than not.

- Matthews can't go because who is the teams #1C? Tavares is talked about as a winger going forward and even if he somehow stays at C, he has what 2 years left and then what? No #1C? We know how hard it is to find one.

With Nylander, if he goes we still have Marner as a top wing. If Marner goes, Nylander is a top wing but he isn't as good as Marner in all aspects of the game. Not to mention Marner leaving we don't see Matthews score 60 goals ever again and he will likely be paid like a player who can do it.

So yeah... I think the move that should be made won't for these reasons. Marner is who should go but I think he is simply too good unless an offer knocks the Leafs away

With $24 million in cap space you can get stuff. Just sayin'.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Why Maple Leafs fell short again and what to do with Matthews, Marner

So another disappointing end to a Maple Leafs season comes with huge off-season questions. Justin Bourne looks at exactly why this year's group fell short again, and explores what it should mean for Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner, and more.

www.sportsnet.ca

Great article here which tangibly shows why Marner is far less effective in playoffs.

Excellent article that totally validates the eye test that soft perimeter hockey = playoff losers.

 

[BallardEra]

Would Old Man Rutherford do Pettersson for Marner straight up?