Mitch Marner (Trade or Keep)?

[TMLAM34]

I would stay away from Dubois. From all indications (if you believe them) he’s just putting in his time for Montreal.
I would want Connor, a D and a draft pick.

You only pull the trigger for a Dubois deal if he comes with a multi year extension.

 

[Notsince67]

Naturally you can put on 2lbs of muscle per month your first year of training, 1lb the second year, .5lbs the third year and so on.

Mitch has been a professional for nearly a decade and he still looks like a teen. He's never going to be a 220+lb bruiser, but ectomorphs can definitely gain a ton of muscle if they put in the work. He's still getting pushed off the puck like a young scrawny 18/19 year old.

McDavid had the same issues when he came into the league, look at him now and he hasn't lost any speed at all.


How is he supposed to not get pushed off the puck come playoff time? Are you satisfied with his play? Do you think he has maxed out all the size he can put on his frame?

Simple physics. Force = Mass times acceleration. Put on mass and it slows you. It definitely doesn't make you any quicker. He is 26 now. His gains will not be good ones. Strength training can work but it definitely doesn't take hours in a gym starting at 5 am to do that. Strength is more a function of central nervous system training.

 

[Trapper]

You only pull the trigger for a Dubois deal if he comes with a multi year extension.

Like I said, I doubt that happens. I’d rather Kempe over Dubois. LA has good pieces.

 

[NVious]

Simple physics. Force = Mass times acceleration. Put on mass and it slows you. It definitely doesn't make you any quicker. He is 26 now. His gains will not be good ones. Strength training can work but it definitely doesn't take hours in a gym starting at 5 am to do that. Strength is more a function of central nervous system training.

Yeah no, look at Michael Jordan, Kobe, Lebron James or any top end sprinter, what you're saying is total myth. Specifically if we're talking about natural training.

If you're right it's time to get rid of Mitch asap then since this is going to be his playoff performance, where he gets mauled off the puck.

 

[Notsince67]

Yeah no, look at Michael Jordan, Kobe, Lebron James or any top end sprinter, what you're saying is total myth. Specifically if we're talking about natural training.

If you're right it's time to get rid of Mitch asap then since this is going to be his playoff performance, where he gets mauled off the puck.

It isn't a myth. Strength actually improves significantly as one gets older with little training. What slows is endurance and recovery.
And Marner doesn't get mauled off the puck. You clearly dont have a clue what you are talking about. Your biases are painting a picture that just isn't true.

 

[geo25]

I'd trade him right now. freakin loser

Yada,yada,yada BS

 

[TMLAM34]

Like I said, I doubt that happens. I’d rather Kempe over Dubois. LA has good pieces.

I guess it really depends who you’d be willing to move.

If you’re looking at moving Nylander, an extended Dubois + is a good target.

If you’re looking at moving Marner, Kempe along with someone like Clarke would be a good target.

Yada,yada,yada BS

Same BS every year with the same results at the end of the day.

 

[Notsince67]

I’d be interested in defensemen like Rasmus Dahlin, Charlie McAvoy, Zach Werenski, Quinn Hughes, K’Andre Miller, Brandt Clarke, Seth Jones (yes, still), Bowen Byram who have similar age and great upside and talent, though their values would be different and would either be less valuable than Marner or more.

Also curious what a John Carlson might cost on the veteran end that might not involve a Marner.

Unlikely Marner will be traded to Columbus if this is true, because he won't stay.

 

[mjd1001]

I’d be interested in defensemen like Rasmus Dahlin, Charlie McAvoy, Zach Werenski, Quinn Hughes, K’Andre Miller, Brandt Clarke, Seth Jones (yes, still), Bowen Byram who have similar age and great upside and talent, though their values would be different and would either be less valuable than Marner or more.

Also curious what a John Carlson might cost on the veteran end that might not involve a Marner.

I'm not sure how many of those Marner would get you. Seth Jones easily (and you could get more probably) and yes, I would be interested in him also. Put him on this Leafs team and I think they are much better than they are now (depending on what you need to trade to get him).

McAvoy and Dahlin and out of the range of possibilities I'm afraid. McAvoy is a fixture in Boston, I don't think he is going anywhere for almost anyone.

And Dahlin? As I said before I live in Niagara County, NY (I can see downtown Toronto across the lake but technically I'm in Sabres territory so I get all the Sabres talk all the time) and unless something changes, he isn't going anywhere at anytime. Most view him as a future Norris winner, and think by the end of his career he might be in the top 5 Sabres players ever and potentially in the discussion of top 10 D-men in the history of the league. Will he be that? Who knows, but that is what many in WNY think of him.

I do think the single biggest thing this Leafs team needs, more than even goaltending, is a quality, 1st pair D-man who is between 23-30 years old and can give you over 20 minutes per game every night.

 

[supermann_98]

Uh huh. And Chicago is ready to run with Marner on that team in his prime.
Will be Dubas' fault if this deal doesn't go through because Chicago would be all over it


The Sens would do it in a second and wouldn't wear a condom.

No they would not, thachuk is their leader and is signed at $8.2 until 2027-28. They would laugh in our faces

 

[NVious]

It isn't a myth. Strength actually improves significantly as one gets older with little training. What slows is endurance and recovery.
And Marner doesn't get mauled off the puck. You clearly dont have a clue what you are talking about. Your biases are painting a picture that just isn't true.

So why did he disappear in the playoffs then? Almost like he knows the time and space isn't there so is he hurried to make a play before he gets hit.

You're right, he doesn't get mauled off the puck (in the season)

 

[JT AM da real deal]

He is one to go .. too much in AM, JT and MM as a group and NO D and/or G in da mix .. Mitch will bring 3 great pieces which will help team in playoffs .. need a very good D and a 2C plus a pick and a little CAP savings too

 

[Puckstuff]

How the heck can they afford that?

If they can LTIR/trade Muzzin and Murray we would have enough cap space for the core 4, O'Reilly at 6, Orlov at 6, Schenn and Acciari and ZAR. And still have enough money for a Matthews and Nylander raise in 2024-25. Now if we could get Orlov and O'Reilly at 6 is another question.



Robbie-Matthews-Nylander
Knies-O'Reilly-Marner
McMann-Tavares-Jarnkrok
ZAR-Acciari-Lafferty

Rielly-Schenn
Orlov-Liljegren
McCabe-Brodie


Samsonov
Murray

 

[studebaker17]

So why did he disappear in the playoffs then? Almost like he knows the time and space isn't there so is he hurried to make a play before he gets hit.

You're right, he doesn't get mauled off the puck (in the season)

I wouldn't say he disappears but biggest issue he has in the playoffs is like you said , time and space . Every time he touched the puck he had 2 guys on him immediately , both cutting off the pass options leaving Marner with very little options . This seems to be the way every playoff opponent plays him , because it works . Take away Marner and Mathews is neutered . This is why the 2 should be on separate lines .
Florida is a hot mess structurally but it works for them because they're fast at putting pressure on the puck carriers . Marner did uncharacteristicly give away the puck a few times unpressured as well and not really an excuse for that . He needs to use the safe play more often . Most of his issues it seems are in his head . The time and space is taken away so he reverts to playing out further away from the net where he has more time and space .
Nylander does the same but then will also take the puck a drive into the danger areas but he's got the speed to do it more so than anything to do with strength .

 

[NVious]

I wouldn't say he disappears but biggest issue he has in the playoffs is like you said , time and space . Every time he touched the puck he had 2 guys on him immediately , both cutting off the pass options leaving Marner with very little options . This seems to be the way every playoff opponent plays him , because it works . Take away Marner and Mathews is neutered . This is why the 2 should be on separate lines .
Florida is a hot mess structurally but it works for them because they're fast at putting pressure on the puck carriers . Marner did uncharacteristicly give away the puck a few times unpressured as well and not really an excuse for that . He needs to use the safe play more often . Most of his issues it seems are in his head . The time and space is taken away so he reverts to playing out further away from the net where he has more time and space .
Nylander does the same but then will also take the puck a drive into the danger areas but he's got the speed to do it more so than anything to do with strength .

Why doesn't this work on McDrai?

Drai being an Auston big body
McDavid being smaller, more agile playmaker

 

[ToneDog]

Why doesn't this work on McDrai?

Drai being an Auston big body
McDavid being smaller, more agile playmaker

McDavid is also twice the goal scorer Marner is and has explosive speed. Teams back off when McDavid carries the puck forward. Not so much with Marner in the playoffs.

 

[TopCheese]

Marner is the one to go. Send him to Winniped for Dubois extended 7 x 7 and another forward or dman depending on what we can snag in ufa market

 

[studebaker17]

Why doesn't this work on McDrai?

Drai being an Auston big body
McDavid being smaller, more agile playmaker

I don't honestly pay much attention to drei. McDavid is in a class of his own though . Nobody has an answer to shut down his speed and skill combo.
Drei was shut down by Vegas btw.

 

[NVious]

I don't honestly pay much attention to drei. McDavid is in a class of his own though . Nobody has an answer to shut down his speed and skill combo.
Drei was shut down by Vegas btw.

And yet our two "superstars" want to be paid like them and they actually already are.

If they want to take a discount we can keep them, if not let them bounce.

 

[Notsince67]

No they would not, thachuk is their leader and is signed at $8.2 until 2027-28. They would laugh in our faces

Lol. OK dude.

So why did he disappear in the playoffs then? Almost like he knows the time and space isn't there so is he hurried to make a play before he gets hit.

You're right, he doesn't get mauled off the puck (in the season)

Disappear? He is tied for 6th in playoff points in the league.

 

[DarkKnight]

Anybody can get bigger, it's just a matter of eating more.

Metabolism is real though, thye had a study where they fed a group of people 3500 calories for 8 weeks.

Some of them came back 20+lbs heavier and much fatter, some of them came back slightly heavier and a few of them hardly gained at all.

It's just a matter of feeding yourself more and more which is a disgusting thing, but if you want to win, you'll do it.

What a load of garbage lol.

 

[ToneDog]

I'm not sure how many of those Marner would get you. Seth Jones easily (and you could get more probably) and yes, I would be interested in him also. Put him on this Leafs team and I think they are much better than they are now (depending on what you need to trade to get him).

McAvoy and Dahlin and out of the range of possibilities I'm afraid. McAvoy is a fixture in Boston, I don't think he is going anywhere for almost anyone.

And Dahlin? As I said before I live in Niagara County, NY (I can see downtown Toronto across the lake but technically I'm in Sabres territory so I get all the Sabres talk all the time) and unless something changes, he isn't going anywhere at anytime. Most view him as a future Norris winner, and think by the end of his career he might be in the top 5 Sabres players ever and potentially in the discussion of top 10 D-men in the history of the league. Will he be that? Who knows, but that is what many in WNY think of him.

I do think the single biggest thing this Leafs team needs, more than even goaltending, is a quality, 1st pair D-man who is between 23-30 years old and can give you over 20 minutes per game every night.

Be happy with Power if Sabres would be willing to move him but that is wishful thinking. Sabres are going to be a force soon if they do not screw up.

 

[ToneDog]

No they would not, thachuk is their leader and is signed at $8.2 until 2027-28. They would laugh in our faces

After seeing MT in these payoffs, teams recognize the value of players like the Tkachuks. No way they trade Brady for Marner unless playoff results do not matter. The Sens have a great young core. Only way they screw it up is if they hand the keys to Dubas.

 

[Notsince67]

After seeing MT in these payoffs, teams recognize the value of players like the Tkachuks. No way they trade Brady for Marner unless playoff results do not matter. The Sens have a great young core. Only way they screw it up is if they hand the keys to Dubas.

Brady is 0 for 0 in the playoffs. Unless you believe someone else needs to get him there and he has a genetic predisposition to play like his brother in the playoffs which means 2 extra points with an extra game.

 

[ITM]

If they can LTIR/trade Muzzin and Murray we would have enough cap space for the core 4, O'Reilly at 6, Orlov at 6, Schenn and Acciari and ZAR. And still have enough money for a Matthews and Nylander raise in 2024-25. Now if we could get Orlov and O'Reilly at 6 is another question.



Knies-Matthews-Nylander
Jarnkrok-O'Reilly-Marner
Robertson-Tavares-Lafferty
McMann-Acciari-Holmberg

Rielly-Schenn
Orlov-Liljegren
McCabe-Brodie


Samsonov
Murray

A few suggested edits.