Mitch Marner (Trade or Keep)?

[Wiseguys]

I dont know if it has been mentioned, the only way I would trade Marner is it also has to include Murray and Giordano as a package. That would free up about $16,490000. for an elite defenseman coupled with a top 6 forward or 2. That would be my starting point. Draft picks can be negotiable on both ends. Otherwise no deal. Ah Ah no way. If a team is desperate enough they wouldn't hesitate, especially if there stacked on defense.

 

[PeE eL DuBoiS]

Get rid of him.

 

[ToneDog]

I dont know if it has been mentioned, the only way I would trade Marner is it also has to include Murray and Giordano as a package. That would free up about $16,490000. for an elite defenseman coupled with a top 6 forward or 2. That would be my starting point. Draft picks can be negotiable on both ends. Otherwise no deal. Ah Ah no way. If a team is desperate enough they wouldn't hesitate, especially if there stacked on defense.

Gio is not going anywhere and only making 900K. Why add Murray to Marner when it is probably better to buy him out and get max value for Marner.

 

[ToneDog]

Trade Marner or Nylander for a top 2 dman and sign Bertuzzi, Brown and/or Woods.

 

[Puckstuff]

Trade Marner or Nylander for a top 2 dman and sign Bertuzzi, Brown and/or Woods.

Keep both and sign Orlov

 

[notdoneyet]

Marner hits ? Effectively ?

Willy scores in the playoffs.

He plays with Tavares, so his plus minus is bad.

Of course willy is poor because of tavares

This year after 11games
MM 3-11 14 pts +8
AM 5-6. 11 pts +3
WN 4-6. 10 pts -4
JT 4-4. 8 pts -1

ConnorM 12games 8-12 20 points -1
LeonD 12 games 13-5 18 points -1

Yes I definitely see where marner is the problem

 

[notdoneyet]

I always had my own opinions on a winning team can afford maybe 1 player on it's roster who doesn't play defensily well and doesn't stand up for team mates and that player has to be very good to get away with it. Can't afford any d like that or ones that are afraid to go back and take a hit retriving pucks no matter how good they are . The oposition will always target those guys weakness's .
Not saying Marner's the issue because i think he's a great hockey player but it's more of an issue there's to many of that type on the Leafs . All of these guys would be playing much bigger on other teams that had a more unified team approach as well .

You describe Nylander perfectly
Afraid to hit
Afraid to take a hit
Terrible defensively

 

[Apotheosis]

A Quinn Hughes from Vancouver.
Elite D and balances the core between forwards and D.

Quinn Hughes would be legitimately insane. No chance Vancouver takes that deal but remove Marner and give the Leafs Hughes puck moving and having Rielly puck moving is nuts. Hughes, Rielly, Liljegren puck moving "core" sounds really nice on paper. I am cool with stapling Schenn to Rielly since they looked good together. Lilly-McCabe as balance as well.

 

[notdoneyet]

Of course it all matters what is out there for him.

If you decide you NEED to change the core, you need 2 of the big 4 gone. You can't just trade one guy and expect the remaining 3 to change their stripes as far as culture. Want to change culture? 2 guys are gone.

If, IF, you were to get good deals for all 3 guys you shop (assuming Tavares will not be one of them), I'd keep Nylander and shop/trade Marner and Matthews. AGAIN, that is under the assumption you get multiple picks back, clear out a lot of cap space, and get 2-4 legit NHL guys back, at least 2 of those guys potential all-star level players).

Can you get that kind of a return? I think so. If you can get it, I think you consider it. If that return is not out there, then you don't do it.

Please enlighten us as to the value of mitch and auston
Surely you must have players in mind

 

[Stephen]

I would look at how my much Orlov is asking before trading a core piece for a Dman.

Trading MM is tricky bc there are just not a lot of 1 for 1 deal available.
JT on the other hand is easier in terms of getting equal or close to equal value in return.


JT won’t waive if there is retention due to pride, bc retention seems like the team is dumping him.

I would move Brodie in a mid tier move to get an Orlov. I wouldn’t mind that.

 

[mjd1001]

Please enlighten us as to the value of mitch and auston
Surely you must have players in mind

Nope, nothign specific in mind. Can't 'enlighten' you. As I have put in other posts though, the quality of what you might get should be similar to the Eichel trade for Marner, maybe a bit more for Matthews.

I'm not saying to do it for anything. I'm saying you look and see what is out there and if you get that kind of return you may very well pull the trigger on it.

I hope that 'enlightens' you as much as you need to be. I am not a GM, I am not having conversations to find out specifically what is out there. But as a poster to a message board I can look at what trades were made in the past for similar players and extrapolate. I think this team can be best served by a change in the 'core' and that is how I would go about it.

 

[GoonieFace]

Of course willy is poor because of tavares

This year after 11games
MM 3-11 14 pts +8
AM 5-6. 11 pts +3
WN 4-6. 10 pts -4
JT 4-4. 8 pts -1

ConnorM 12games 8-12 20 points -1
LeonD 12 games 13-5 18 points -1

Yes I definitely see where marner is the problem

Almost half of Marners points came in those first 2 playoff blowouts…..

 

[Trapper]

Quinn Hughes would be legitimately insane. No chance Vancouver takes that deal but remove Marner and give the Leafs Hughes puck moving and having Rielly puck moving is nuts. Hughes, Rielly, Liljegren puck moving "core" sounds really nice on paper. I am cool with stapling Schenn to Rielly since they looked good together. Lilly-McCabe as balance as well.

Rielly was our best player in the playoffs, now imagine a double attack (or triple with Lily).
Get bigger bodies up front on the forecheck and let the players from the back dictate the pace. Harder to slow that down.

 

[ToneDog]

Rielly was our best player in the playoffs, now imagine a double attack (or triple with Lily).
Get bigger bodies up front on the forecheck and let the players from the back dictate the pace. Harder to slow that down.

I'd try Connor and Helley for Marner. Might cost more than Marner but you get a true #1 and a bonified 40 goal winger to replace Marner. Demko and Boeser might be cheaper.

 

[Trapper]

I'd try Connor and Helley for Marner. Might cost more than Marner but you get a true #1 and a bonified 40 goal winger to replace Marner. Demko and Boeser might be cheaper.

These are good culture changes as well.
It just depends if you want the single best individual talent you can get, or a package like you suggest.
Again, LA is also a good option, I like 40 goal scorer Kempe, draft picks and D prospect.

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

Get rid of this ballerina bum with no accountability. Heard Justin Bourne yesterday quote a stat that he shoots on average 10 feet further in the playoffs that reg season (from 30 ft to 40). Of course second place belongs to best friend, the softest centre in the league who is 4ft further out in playoffs

 

[leafan11]

When Marner agent came out and shit all
Over Matthews contract, it told me all I need to know about Marner. It’s a damn shame but they have to move on from him.

 

[Thornbury]

Keep both and sign Orlov

How the heck can they afford that?

 

[Gabriel426]

How the heck can they afford that?

by Trading Murray and TJ

 

[Superstar]

Trade Marner or Nylander for a top 2 dman and sign Bertuzzi, Brown and/or Woods.

Do you think Seth Jones is available?

 

[nuck]

I dont know if it has been mentioned, the only way I would trade Marner is it also has to include Murray and Giordano as a package. That would free up about $16,490000. for an elite defenseman coupled with a top 6 forward or 2. That would be my starting point. Draft picks can be negotiable on both ends. Otherwise no deal. Ah Ah no way. If a team is desperate enough they wouldn't hesitate, especially if there stacked on defense.

Geo is only making $800k so he doesn't have to be part of any salary dump.

I think Murray is owed $6M by the Leafs in real money so no team will eat that on top of Mitch's top of the market salary. Just a moronic contract by the Sens and a terrible acquisition by the Leafs.. A Murray trade would best be offered to the whole league so you have 29 chances to get a better deal than on one of the very few clubs who would pony up for Marner. Also Murray has a 10 team NTC so he will want to steer the deal to a place where he might actually play (he doesn't think he is done).

It makes more sense that they buy him out because the sweetener will be more valuable than the money. $2M in 24-25 will be hard to work around unless the cap takes a hop. Maybe if Sami wants too much they try to run Murray and Woll next season and do the buyout, if required, later in the year when they go to add another goalie. Its a gamble but mistakes have a cost and you do what you need to right?

 

[Wiseguys]

Geo is only making $800k so he doesn't have to be part of any salary dump.

I think Murray is owed $6M by the Leafs in real money so no team will eat that on top of Mitch's top of the market salary. Just a moronic contract by the Sens and a terrible acquisition by the Leafs.. A Murray trade would best be offered to the whole league so you have 29 chances to get a better deal than on one of the very few clubs who would pony up for Marner. Also Murray has a 10 team NTC so he will want to steer the deal to a place where he might actually play (he doesn't think he is done).

It makes more sense that they buy him out because the sweetener will be more valuable than the money. $2M in 24-25 will be hard to work around unless the cap takes a hop. Maybe if Sami wants too much they try to run Murray and Woll next season and do the buyout, if required, later in the year when they go to add another goalie. Its a gamble but mistakes have a cost and you do what you need to right?

Well put, I was looking to create more cap space which the team will need to bring in talented agrressive players to change the structure of a very soft team. I guess who ever the GM is will have a very busy 6 weeks ahead of them for starters.

 

[authentic]

Of course willy is poor because of tavares

This year after 11games
MM 3-11 14 pts +8
AM 5-6. 11 pts +3
WN 4-6. 10 pts -4
JT 4-4. 8 pts -1

ConnorM 12games 8-12 20 points -1
LeonD 12 games 13-5 18 points -1

Yes I definitely see where marner is the problem

10 of those points were in the first 4 games. Once the games tightened up/we faced a really good goalie he had 4 points in 7 games. Nylander also plays 1/3 the powerplay time Marner does.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

I'll repeat: I love Marner and think he was the Leaf's best player this season. He just happens to be the guy with two full seasons left on his contract and will get the best return in a trade. Nothing personal, he's gotta go. Almost $11M in cap space plus a couple of high draft picks and/or prospects >> Mitch Marner. Sorry/not sorry.

 

[Legion34]

I have no idea where he would go and who would have the assets….. in no particular order

1.) washington. Playmaker for ov but they have nothing to give really

2.) winnipeg… you could do marner and Sammy’s rights for ehlers/pionk/helly?

3.) NYI for pelech plus???? I dont see a forward

4.) Carolina for necas and pesce (1 year left)

5.) NJ for meier (if he signs for like 8 mill) and a D? Or Merced?

6.) Calgary for weegar and lindholm? Would they want him with hiby?

7.) Columbus has no defense and had gaudreau.

I don’t see an obvious fit