Mitch Marner (Trade or Keep)?

[scout20]

What about trying Marner at centre before trading him? maybe have knies on his left wing creating space for Marner

 

[Leaf Lander]

If its a choice between keeping or trading players. Ill keep marner over mathews

Marner is the better 2 way player. He does everything better then mathews except for scoring.

Skater
Edge work
Passer
Hockey iq

 

[Stephen]

And yet our two "superstars" want to be paid like them and they actually already are.

If they want to take a discount we can keep them, if not let them bounce.

Man. You gotta think that if McDavid AND Draisaitl plus cheap everything else can’t win a Stanley Cup, that method of overwhelming forward star power and top heavy construction really isn’t the best way to build.

 

[PromisedLand]

Marner is probably the best 2 way foward of the entire NHL...

Do you know how many winger had been finalist for selke last decade? 2 Marner and Mark Stone

The biggest thing i saw with Marner is when hes playingnwith matthews. Hes not playing to create himself space but to make play to Matthews and hes forcing play a lot, was taking a lot of useful risk and bevome really predictable... exemple a 2v1 marner and matthews, you already know marner will not take a shot.

When they playing together its like batman and robin...matthews drive the play and marner follow Matthews... when they are split, Marner was driving his own line.

At the same time Matthews played his worst hockey individually everytime he played with Nylander

So marner didn't great with matthews
Matthews didn't great with nylander
Nylander didn't look great with Tavares

Everybody who played with Marner had been instantly better...

Yes he looked bad offensivly vs florida but sorry except kampf, lafferty, kerfoot, rielly, schenn, who's really looked good both side of the game? Marner and matthews still foward who step up to beat tampa in 1st round...

Am not taking away Marner's skill as a player. He is a very skilled player but in playoffs his game just doesn't translate well. IMO he needs to play on a line where players can create space for Marner for him to be effective. Which has not been the case for his entire tenure thus far in playoffs except the first Boston series where he played with Kadri-Marleau

Second, the rumor has been that Matthews-Marner want to play together. Notice that we beat Tampa when Matthews-Marner were separated; but in Florida they were not eventhough they did not generate much offense. So the question then becomes how much does one to bendover for players' personal preferences to the detriment of the team versus doing what is best for the team.

I don't think we have players that can create space for Marner in the playoffs; and those players who can not only create space but finish the play do not come cheap. We do not have cap to get those players when we have 3 players with 11 AAV and soon to be more if we are to re-sign Matthews, Marner and Nylander.

The management team needs to operate diligently and tactfully given the hard salary cap. They should not be continuing to do the same thing and "hope for the best"

 

[Martin Skoula]

Man. You gotta think that if McDavid AND Draisaitl plus cheap everything else can’t win a Stanley Cup, that method of overwhelming forward star power and top heavy construction really isn’t the best way to build.

They’re spending 15 million on Nurse and Campbell, is that cheap? Swap those 1 for 1 for McAvoy and Ullmark and they probably have a cup by now.

 

[thusk]

Am not taking away Marner's skill as a player. He is a very skilled player but in playoffs his game just doesn't translate well. IMO he needs to play on a line where players can create space for Marner for him to be effective. Which has not been the case for his entire tenure thus far in playoffs except the first Boston series where he played with Kadri-Marleau

Second, the rumor has been that Matthews-Marner want to play together. Notice that we beat Tampa when Matthews-Marner were separated; but in Florida they were not eventhough they did not generate much offense. So the question then becomes how much does one to bendover for players' personal preferences to the detriment of the team versus doing what is best for the team.

I don't think we have players that can create space for Marner in the playoffs; and those players who can not only create space but finish the play do not come cheap. We do not have cap to get those players when we have 3 players with 11 AAV and soon to be more if we are to re-sign Matthews, Marner and Nylander.

The management team needs to operate diligently and tactfully given the hard salary cap. They should not be continuing to do the same thing and "hope for the best"

I dont think marner need player to create space for him.. he need player who will work hard to bring back the puck on marner stick... like whats Lehkonen did for Makinnon and you can find it a good salary cost... i would REALLY like to see Marner with oreilly and acciari...

When hyman hit free agency i tell it than leafs should keep him over nylander and i still think they made a mistake here because hes exactly ehats you need eith marner or matthews...

I dont think marner need to play with elite or superstar to perform...

I remembered with BAbcock, he already playing with Matt Martin and some9ne else i dont remembered and that line was looking great... but yes marner needed player who can win puck battle because hes not enought strong physically

 

[New User Name]

If you think we're only getting a 1st + 2nd for Marner, then you're the delusional one.

This past deadline, these players returned a 1st + 2nd:

Chychrun
Jeannot
Hronek
Quick

And you think a 26 year old Marner, with two years remaining, coming off back to back 97 & 99 point seasons will get "maybe" a 1st and 2nd?

Gtfo.

My point is Marners NMC starts July 1 and he is due a 7.25 million SB also on July 1.

You can trade him before July 1 w/o his consent but the team getting him would be the ones paying him the 7.25 million on July 1. Let's say we can find a team that is willing to do that, do you think they would be willing to give up anything substantial along with a 1st and 2nd?

Would the Flyers give us a 1st and 2nd and Konecny who has a cap hit of 5.5m. Six million cash this year, 3m SB July 1, 2024 and 4m base salary for 2024-25.

I don't think they would.

TD deals are always inflated.

Be interesting to know what you would want for Marner.

In fact I encourage posters on this thread what they expect for Marner if he's traded. Name players coming back please.

 

[ShaneFalco]

In fact I encourage posters on this thread what they expect for Marner if he's traded. Name players coming back please.

Look around there's been plenty of suggestions

 

[mikeyz]

Highly unlikely Marner gets traded. To the shit talking nubes who watch a handful of games and think they're experts, go back asleep.
To the known haters, it will be a great consolation to some of us watching your heads explode another year.

So you would rather see a certain % of fans get butt hurt then see the team win?

Yep, sick of this bullshit. So many of these guys are man-children. They get paid more money than 99.9999% of people. Your job is to score/produce points, not to feel good and have everyone be your friend.

It seems Marner doesnt understand responsibility. He demanded to be paid like a top 10 player in the world and in doing so he left less room for the supporting cast. With this comes consequences. You need to produce, no excuses. If you dont produce then you should have the stones to stand up and say "I wasnt good enough, this is partly on me". Instead we get this woe is me attitude, "we dont care what you guys say" crap.

The fact that the coach had to apologize for being critical of them is pathetic.

Don’t even get me started with that incident

 

[New User Name]

Look around there's been plenty of suggestions

I have, haven't seen any that are IMHO realistic.

Flyers need a face of their rebuild. I'd be interested in Hart, Provorov, Frost, Koneckny, their 1st.

All of them?

 

[ToneDog]

I have, haven't seen any that are IMHO realistic.


All of them?

All will cost you a couple of the core 4.

 

[Notsince67]

So you would rather see a certain % of fans get butt hurt then see the team win?


Don’t even get me started with that incident

Is that what you are reading? Explains your prior posting

 

[New User Name]

All will cost you a couple of the core 4.

If there's 2 teams that are capable of pulling off a true blockbuster it would be the Leafs and Flyers.

 

[Blanche Blanche]

I dont think marner need player to create space for him.. he need player who will work hard to bring back the puck on marner stick... like whats Lehkonen did for Makinnon and you can find it a good salary cost... i would REALLY like to see Marner with oreilly and acciari...

When hyman hit free agency i tell it than leafs should keep him over nylander and i still think they made a mistake here because hes exactly ehats you need eith marner or matthews...

I dont think marner need to play with elite or superstar to perform...

I remembered with BAbcock, he already playing with Matt Martin and some9ne else i dont remembered and that line was looking great... but yes marner needed player who can win puck battle because hes not enought strong physically

Basically the leafs team of the core 4 is gone with this type of hockey.

You have essentially listed Cup winning Avs with the heavy responsible players and a playmaker winger instead of Makar on the blue line.

No Matthews Nylander or Tavares needed.

Whole new team. And that’s why people rather keep Matthews. You don’t rid of your 2 way C at 6’4 240 pounds

If Marner looked capable of even handling the puck in the playoffs maybe.

I feel like Marners agents are in here and his family voting the no trade for marner or his jersey buyers.

If you watched these playoffs. You’re facepalming Marner when he has the puck

 

[NMacrules]

Send Marner to the Yotes for Clayton Keller.

 

[New User Name]

Basically the leafs team of the core 4 is gone with this type of hockey.

You have essentially listed Cup winning Avs with the heavy responsible players and a playmaker winger instead of Makar on the blue line.

No Matthews Nylander or Tavares needed.

Whole new team. And that’s why people rather keep Matthews. You don’t rid of your 2 way C at 6’4 240 pounds

If Marner looked capable of even handling the puck in the playoffs maybe.

I feel like Marners agents are in here and his family voting the no trade for marner or his jersey buyers.

If you watched these playoffs. You’re facepalming Marner when he has the puck

I think Mitch was somewhat ruined by his dad, not intentionally of course but some fathers live out their sports fantasy through their children.

A change might do Mitch a world of good. Our loss but another teams huge gain.

 

[mclaren55]

I'm not sure why we would be trading one of our most versatile wingers that is perpetually scoring 90+ points a season and was over a PPG this playoffs. I think Nylander being a complete no show for half the playoffs is way more egregious than anything Mitch did.

 

[mikeyz]

I'm not sure why we would be trading one of our most versatile wingers that is perpetually scoring 90+ points a season and was over a PPG this playoffs. I think Nylander being a complete no show for half the playoffs is way more egregious than anything Mitch did.

Nylander was better then Marner. Especially in the Panthers series

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I think Mitch was somewhat ruined by his dad, not intentionally of course but some fathers live out their sports fantasy through their children.

A change might do Mitch a world of good. Our loss but another teams huge gain.

So true .. hard for a lot of parents even me to digest fully but Paul was worst of helicopter parents even videotaping practices .. but he did get Mitchy his $$$ so give him credit for that .. mitch will do well no matter where he ends up for a few more years you gotta a 100 point season player who will help any team make da playoffs .. after that he won't help much

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Man. You gotta think that if McDavid AND Draisaitl plus cheap everything else can’t win a Stanley Cup, that method of overwhelming forward star power and top heavy construction really isn’t the best way to build.

if they had reasonable goaltending they might be OK.

Woll or Sammy might be enough to put them over the edge.

 

[LeafalCrusader]

Wait till Matthews signs and Marner's dad and the two Darrens go to the media demanding the same deal. Ugh.

 

[thusk]

5v5 stats in playoff this year+ last year

G/60
Tavares 1.2
Matthews 1.17
Marner 0.84
Nylander 0.23

A1/60
Marner 1.27
Nylander 0.46
Matthews 0.39
Tavares 0.24

G+A1/60
Marner 2.11
Matthews 1.56
Tavares 1.44
Nylander 0.69

Number of goal against on the ice
Nylander 17
Matthews and tavares 14
Marner 12

But because he had more difficulty against florida, he should be the guy leafs should move

 

[Gabriel426]

They’re spending 15 million on Nurse and Campbell, is that cheap? Swap those 1 for 1 for McAvoy and Ullmark and they probably have a cup by now.

Ullmark tanked in the playoffs.
But I agree with your points.
The support of the Oilers sucks and McD and Drai masked a lot do their short comings.

 

[Gabriel426]

I'm not sure why we would be trading one of our most versatile wingers that is perpetually scoring 90+ points a season and was over a PPG this playoffs. I think Nylander being a complete no show for half the playoffs is way more egregious than anything Mitch did.

You can’t compare Willie and MM bc MM is supposed to be our top guy to lead us while Willie is a complementary player. AM and MM is supposed to be Sid and Geno while Willie is Phil.

 

[Dayjobdave]

Wait till Matthews signs and Marner's dad and the two Darrens go to the media demanding the same deal. Ugh.

I've advocated for keeping Mitch as a forever Leaf, but the point you raise is a scary proposition. We can't have 2 @14m, can we?/