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Beyonder91 said:
I'd argue Tavares should be moved before Marner. He is making more money, is 6 years older and has already showed signs of slowing down. He wasn't the best skater to begin with. Now he has had a bad concussion... Far more riskier to hang on to him for 4 more years than Marner IMO.
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I agree, but he has a nmc and I don’t see him waiving it.
 
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Beyonder91 said:
I'd argue Tavares should be moved before Marner. He is making more money, is 6 years older and has already showed signs of slowing down. He wasn't the best skater to begin with. Now he has had a bad concussion... Far more riskier to hang on to him for 4 more years than Marner IMO.
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No move clause, and I have a really strong feeling that if Tavares remained in the series, we'd be talking about different things about the Leafs.
 
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Beyonder91 said:
I'd argue Tavares should be moved before Marner. He is making more money, is 6 years older and has already showed signs of slowing down. He wasn't the best skater to begin with. Now he has had a bad concussion... Far more riskier to hang on to him for 4 more years than Marner IMO.
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Tavares is the type of character you want on your club. Tavares' game also translates to the playoffs. Anyway mute point since he has a NMC and rightfully so. He signed here to play at home and he should end his career as a Leaf.
 
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ToneDog said:
You are probably right but I do not see it happening. Wasn't Paul Marner upset Mitch was not considered for the "C" ? Want to have their fingers in the pie but shit the bed when it is time to do your part. Maybe he matures soon and find a way to break through in the playoffs. They should give him some homework over the summer. Watch video of Patty Kane in the playoffs.
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It will never happen Patty has wheels - he can fly .. literally blow by most NHL guys with his gear change .. and then he has same lateral skating edge work and hand skills too as Mitch .. 2 completely different players .. result being Patty who can change a playoff game by himself .. and Mitch who needs to dipsy doodle and then find someone who can bury .. 1 guy can change a game without anyone else .. another guy who requires a strong shooter to finish
 
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What does he mean by "i have to be a better person" (not player), says it about three times. Seems honest about that pp story being fiction.
 
"nope, I thought our line did a lot of great things" When asked about if he would change anything going into the playoffs next season. lmao . He makes it hard to wanna root for him right now.
 
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AvroArrow said:
"nope, I thought our line did a lot of great things" When asked about if he would change anything going into the playoffs next season. lmao . He makes it hard to wanna root for him right now.
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Yep. He takes almost no personal responability despite earning 4 times as much of that of team members that performed better. Probably wont sit well with the team.
 
Intellivisionhockey said:
So just a repeat of what's been done the last 4 seasons. OK. I'm sure it will work next time.
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There are still fans in denial that we have another country club atmosphere on our hands. A more talented version of the Muskoka 5.

Players who don't care love to enable other players on the team who don't care. This plagues the locker room right now and there NEEDS to be a new GM hired to fix this IMMEDIATELY.
 
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WTFMAN99 said:
Yes if you try to carbon copy other teams, you become a poor version of them. There are elements you can take though.

We had no physical presence, Foligno/Simmonds didn't deliver but MTL finished all their checks. We need to figure out how to make the team better for when things change from reg season vs post-season.

I don't want to copy the Isles specifically, just saying spreading the $$ around can help.
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I would not spread the money around on depth guys. You can trade Marner, but that money is going towards another high end core player (almost certainly a forward) and any left over money (not that there should be much) can be distributed elsewhere.

I also think focusing on physicality has only created problems for us. Foligno was a non-factor brought in for grit. Clifford was the year before. Simmonds and Thornton had their moments but ultimately were non-factors for the most part. Bogosian and Muzzin were really the only ones that have panned out over the years and that is also because they are good in a lot more important areas (defending). Our top performers this year were all skill guys who were willing to step up (Kerfoot, Nylander, etc.). Not necessarily with physicality and hitting people or even sacrificing the body more than absolutely necessary, but they would drive the net, work hard, and making smart plays consistently.

We need skill, but we need skill that can do more than one thing. Matthews can do more than one thing, and I have complete faith in him being a major playoff performer. He plays the game the right way. Marner, however, is simply an elite playmaker and just being able to pass is not going to help us win.

I am also more concerned about forechecking ability and ability to play in tight, which I don't consider "physicality" because you need skill and IQ to do that as well. I have seen "physical" players who are brutal forecheckers (usually because they don't have the speed, but also because they don't have the IQ and skill) and may be handfuls in tight but they don't have the hands to finish off or make plays even if they win physical contests. I would not want those guys any more than a guy who is all flash and no substance.

Laziness and complacency is not tolerated under any circumstance, but seeing a guy running through the boards does not guarantee he is not lazy or complacent (especially if it leads to stupid penalties, like Kadri's) and conversely, not doing it does not mean a guy is not working hard and doing the right things (which is why Nylander is actually one of the better guys at winning board battles and scoring net front goals).
 
Leafs are my second favourite team. I’m wonder when Mitch Marner was asked what he took from this season he replied not able to see family and friends to hang out. I’m not sure I understood. He didn’t acknowledge he needs learning or experience. He turned the puck over in the Gallagher goal and took a dumb penalty for the 5 on 3 goal and didn’t score any goals. I’m not sure what hanging out with friends have to do anything. Didn’t he hang out with Matthews?
 
AvroArrow said:
"nope, I thought our line did a lot of great things" When asked about if he would change anything going into the playoffs next season. lmao . He makes it hard to wanna root for him right now.
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He really said that? Glad I wasn't watching, I might be looking for a new TV now.

Makes it really difficult to support the guy, I just can't do it.
 
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Gary Nylund said:
He really said that? Glad I wasn't watching, I might be looking for a new TV now.

Makes it really difficult to support the guy, I just can't do it.
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Nope me either. Entitled, totally overpaid and immature. Stand up there like a man with some class like Rielly did, rather than looking irritated and defensive.
Could have been a hero here, but now he's heading toward being run out of town
 
Gary Nylund said:
He really said that? Glad I wasn't watching, I might be looking for a new TV now.

Makes it really difficult to support the guy, I just can't do it.
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At about 5:05

The way he evaluates his own and his lines performance is just embarrassing. No accountability. He does say near the end he wants to get stronger/faster but overall, a garbage response
 
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Gary Nylund said:
He really said that? Glad I wasn't watching, I might be looking for a new TV now.

Makes it really difficult to support the guy, I just can't do it.
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He earned a little bit of the benefit after last year's lost. Covid forcing a long layover, Korpisalo (who played much better than Price did), etc.

This year, he was somehow even worse though and he looked like he did not learn anything. Matthews did things to get better, and even in the playoffs he at least was not a complete disaster. Marner did nothing to improve his greatest weaknesses and made even more costly errors.
 
Gary Nylund said:
He really said that? Glad I wasn't watching, I might be looking for a new TV now.

Makes it really difficult to support the guy, I just can't do it.
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Yes, he did. He also said something along the lines of "but some people only care about stats".
 
AvroArrow said:
"nope, I thought our line did a lot of great things" When asked about if he would change anything going into the playoffs next season. lmao . He makes it hard to wanna root for him right now.
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How about introducing him and his linemates to the boards. That's where the games are won in the playoffs. None of the pretty boys will make the sacrifice. As a matter of fact, they could introduce most of the team to the boards. Besides Hyman, I can cut Tavares a whole lot of slack because he too is willing to sacrifice his body to make the play.
 
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killer1980 said:
How about introducing him and his linemates to the boards. That's where the games are won in the playoffs. None of the pretty boys will make the sacrifice. As a matter of fact, they could introduce most of the team to the boards. Besides Hyman, I can cut Tavares a whole lot of slack because he too is willing to sacrifice his body to make the play.
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Nylander was great in every aspect. He was hitting/fighting for pucks all series long. It was just our 22M dollar guys on the top line that didn't wanna compete. It just gets me even more angry, that even after the series is over now instead of owning up to his garbage effort, he's trying to tell us they played hard and created chances every night. We must be living in 2 different universes because I don't remember him creating anything pretty much the entire series.
 
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Marner is a great person.
But this is a hockey forum.
People are talking about his hockey contributions.
 
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