Mitch Marner (post playoffs) discussion thread continued...

[TheYardMachine]

Those Marner for Eichel makes me laugh

Its basically:
Marner has a loser attitude and cant win so lets trade him for a player with an even bigger loser reputation and coping with a serious neck injury

 

[JT AM da real deal]

On a Saturday night, I go to Church (Catholic) and then I come home and I have a big pasta meal (chicken parm) and watch the Leafs at 7.

Yesterday's pain will fade but my Saturday night routine is something I will inevitably fall back into. It's awesome and I love it.

My guess, you will fall back into it, too.

Ah you may be right who knows could be I feel torn apart now although those are my thoughts .. as I get older I do like a few pints/steak at Hot Stove with my buddies before Saturday night games .. but been texting with a few of them last night and today and most kinda feel like me right now .. ah well it will just mean more resale tickets hit market through ticket brokers anywho if da boys take a year off too .. if we don't send a message to Larry in his pocketbook then nothing likely changes

 

[Gabriel426]

I will always bleed blue until I die .. but I am going make a little return on my seats next year .. everyone else focuses on $$ so if you can't beat em join em .. I may still watch a game here and there but I am gonna take a year off unless something radical happens for better in off season

That’s pretty much what I am doing too.
I live in Vancouver and the Leafs only come once a year. Probably won’t go to the Leafs game next season and sell it bc I could get three times the face value. Definitely won’t watch all available games on TV and just be less invested(emotionally…) on the team till they win a round.
This playoff lost is really tough bc most of the guys really didn’t show they care and want to win.

 

[Gallagbi]

Lord no. Laine is poison. Laine + the Toronto market = Death.

Itd either with our incredibly well or horrifically

 

[DuklaNation]

We all see it. This guy is overpaid. Deep down, we knew it when he held out. He can't score. Good skater and passer. The rest of his game sucks. NOBODY should mention this guy ever again amongst the best players in the league. What a f***ing joke. He should be at the peak of his offensive skills right now. If this is his best, you MUST trade him. That requires a GM with balls.

 

[Gabriel426]

If what Tulloch wrote is true (and I have every reason to believe it) then does not only The Marner camp need to be shipped out, I would hold whoever allowed this to happen responsible as well. If it was keefe alone then can his ass and whole staff, there’s no way anyone in the room can take him seriously after this debacle. If it was a direct order from management to let the boys have their way, but it’s sink or swim. Then marner HAS to go and other changes are needed to and you give keefe another kick at the can with a tweaked lineup and a proper training camp and preseason.
If management was complicit with Marners demands and they’re all back, then f*** these losers each and every one of them

What did Tulloch wrote?

 

[ORRFForever]

Ah you may be right who knows could be I feel torn apart now although those are my thoughts .. as I get older I do like a few pints/steak at Hot Stove with my buddies before Saturday night games .. but been texting with a few of them last night and today and most kinda feel like me right now .. ah well it will just mean more resale tickets hit market through ticket brokers anywho if da boys take a year off too .. if we don't send a message to Larry in his pocketbook then nothing likely changes

Fair enough, but it's easy to say that now, in the warm summer, with things to do, and you're feeling lousy about the loss.

My guess : You will change you mind in the cold fall, when there is less to do, and you've been fed months of Leaf hype for the 2021-2022 season.

Time will tell.

 

[ThaiTanicDK]

I love how we blame individual players.

Last year it was Frederik Andersen despite him carrying the team for several regular seasons and it turned out he was playing with a groin injury for some parts of last season and this season before he had to give up and rest.

This season they threw a 3-1 series lead because of Marner? Cmon leaf fans..

 

[Egghead1999]

Marner for Laine and Jenner. The problem with trading marner is his value is low atm, but so is Laine's. You can sign Laine for much less and use the additional cap space elsewhere.

His value will be low for couple of weeks. He will get more after free-agent signing when GM knows a >90 pts winger asking price. Beside, Leafs have enough divas why asking for more?

 

[ORRFForever]

I love how we blame individual players.

Last year it was Frederik Andersen despite him carrying the team for several regular seasons and it turned out he was playing with a groin injury for some parts of last season and this season before he had to give up and rest.

This season they threw a 3-1 series lead because of Marner? Cmon leaf fans..

The puck over glass resulting in a 5 on 3, and the giveaway in Game 7 that resulted in a goal for Montreal, is still fresh in everyone's memory.

All the trade talk is moot because Marner's not going anywhere.

 

[Nylanderthal]

What did Tulloch wrote?

Marner refusing to play the redline on the PP and insisting on staying on the right half wall.

 

[666]

The Leafs didn’t suck. Marner did. And that cost us the series.

So you're saying that the loss is 100% on Marner? How many times did he set up Zack "Hands" Hyman and he missed? How many times did he set up Matthews and he hit the post? Why is garbage like Hyman and Thornton being on the PP Marners fault? The simple FACT is that the Habs aren't very good at playoff hockey and neither are the Leafs. And while no one is saying that Marner played lights out, it's insane to suggest that it's entirely his fault when he's stuck playing with garbage like Hyman, Thornton, Foligno etc, against a hot Price while Campbell let's in one softie a game. But yeah, it's ALL Marners fault. Silly.

 

[A1LeafNation]

So you're saying that the loss is 100% on Marner? How many times did he set up Zack "Hands" Hyman and he missed? How many times did he set up Matthews and he hit the post? Why is garbage like Hyman and Thornton being on the PP Marners fault? The simple FACT is that the Habs aren't very good at playoff hockey and neither are the Leafs. And while no one is saying that Marner played lights out, it's insane to suggest that it's entirely his fault when he's stuck playing with garbage like Hyman, Thornton, Foligno etc, against a hot Price while Campbell let's in one softie a game. But yeah, it's ALL Marners fault. Silly.

Matthews and Marner score 2 goals each and this is a short series.

Is that too much to ask from 11m players?

 

[Gabriel426]

Marner refusing to play the redline on the PP and insisting on staying on the right half wall.

If that’s true and Keefe did nothing about it. Both Keefe and Marner need to go. The PP was struggling for over 2 months.

 

[Peterpuck7810]

Not really sure the leafs can get full value for Marner at his salary. That will be tough for any team to take on.

Probably get a better return on one of the others....

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

You just said it yourself. "Don't just conveniently pick out the playoffs where the Blackhawks sucked". You are conveniently picking the playoffs where the Leafs sucked to say that Marner is bad. The Leafs aren't built for the playoffs and it's not Marners fault, just like it wasn't Kanes fault when the Blackhawks sucked in the playoffs. This is pretty simple stuff.

There isn't any other sample size to pick from. We were expected to come out of the division this year, we should have beat Columbus last year, and we had a series lead on the Bruins the year before that. Marner has like what 3 5v5 points in those series. In this case the sample mean = the population mean. This guy just hasn't been able to get it done in the biggest moments.

 

[Nylanderthal]

I love how we blame individual players.

Last year it was Frederik Andersen despite him carrying the team for several regular seasons and it turned out he was playing with a groin injury for some parts of last season and this season before he had to give up and rest.

This season they threw a 3-1 series lead because of Marner? Cmon leaf fans..

Long and short? Yes. When the time came to get the job done, the two $11m players didn’t get the job done, and one had a brutal showing that directly led to the teams overall shortcomings. The goalie, D and depth mostly did their jobs. Matthews and especially marner failed miserably at theirs

 

[4thline]

Ah you may be right who knows could be I feel torn apart now although those are my thoughts .. as I get older I do like a few pints/steak at Hot Stove with my buddies before Saturday night games .. but been texting with a few of them last night and today and most kinda feel like me right now .. ah well it will just mean more resale tickets hit market through ticket brokers anywho if da boys take a year off too .. if we don't send a message to Larry in his pocketbook then nothing likely changes

What's the message you're looking to send, and when is the deadline to send it? If I'm not mistaken you've been fairly effusive in your praise of the effectiveness of our d-corps this season. And from Nylander down the forwards did their job. Campbell did his job. But between JT getting hurt, Matthews being snakebit, and Marner being ineffective we got like 8m value out of 33m in players (say 6 for Matthews as a matchup C, 2m for Marner as + level pker.

This series wasn't lost at the GM level. We iced the much better team and a small number of personnel failed to execute between the boards.

So what's the message you and your buddies are looking to send? What changes do you want to see?

 

[ORRFForever]

Marner refusing to play the redline on the PP and insisting on staying on the right half wall.

Marner also refuses to keep it simple when things are going badly, so I'm not sure why anyone is surprised.

When Babcock was fired, I was worried because I thought Matthews needed a hard *** coach. Turns out I was wrong. It's Marner that needs someone like Babcock.

 

[bossram]

Those Marner for Eichel makes me laugh

Its basically:
Marner has a loser attitude and cant win so lets trade him for a player with an even bigger loser reputation and coping with a serious neck injury

Umm...no.

If you think Eichel is a better player, and you can somehow swing that deal...why wouldn't you do it?

And IMO Eichel is a better player. At a lower price point.

 

[Hclass47]

If he wants to stay he needs to restructure his contract and take less money. 3-4M less otherwise bye bye Felicia

 

[ACC1224]

If he wants to stay he needs to restructure his contract and take less money. 3-4M less otherwise bye bye Felicia

How does he do that?

 

[ORRFForever]

Those Marner for Eichel makes me laugh

Its basically:
Marner has a loser attitude and cant win so lets trade him for a player with an even bigger loser reputation and coping with a serious neck injury

Amen.

 

[ACC1224]

To blame a series loss in a team sport on one person is idiotic.

 

[bossram]

Marner for Laine and Jenner. The problem with trading marner is his value is low atm, but so is Laine's. You can sign Laine for much less and use the additional cap space elsewhere.

I get everyone is down on Marner, but this is just so laughably bad.

Laine is not a great player, full stop. He's a liability in all areas of the ice expect shooting the puck. And he's not even consistent at that.

If I were Dubas I would explore Marner's trade options. But this is just so bad.