Player Discussion Mitch Marner - On Hiatus

[CabanaBoy5]

How is a new coach going to stop a player from being scared? He does not go after pucks lol

I watched the Panthers-Rangers game last night and it was incredible how every player was fighting for every square inch of ice. I got to thinking that Marner would never put that kind of fight into a playoff game. He'd be a complete non-factor in that kind of game. I truly believe he will never be that kind of player because he operates best when he has time and space.

 

[rumman]

Don't know about you but I'm sick and tired of these 3 assholes making all the money, not leaving a cent and sucking ass in the playoffs. They are me first players. Not the kind that are endeared by most Leafs fans. All 3 can GTFO for all I care.

I agree, snd secretly I hope moving Marner butt hurts 34 and 88 into asking for trades, Marner’s nit the only floater, they’re all more or less the same spoiled divas, and the rest if the league knows it……..

 

[Evilhomer]

It's one thing to run it back when you're the raps coming off a title, or the 2015 blue jays when the team was clearly a contender.

They don't deserve the contracts and haven't earned a 9th shot at it. It's not like we're maintaining excellence, we are maintaining failure and boosting free agent value who need lots of empty calorie points

Notice that we score 5 goals per game and in the playoffs we have to grind out 2-1 games?

Nobody should want to watch this a minute longer

The question is, does management feel the same way?

 

[Evilhomer]

No they don’t . Without moving a large contract leafs cannot bring Domi and Bert back. You are forgetting Nylander and Matthews extensions kick in.

Doesn't the increase in the cap basically take care of the overage from those extensions?

 

[leafan11]

Doesn't the increase in the cap basically take care of the overage from those extensions?

No the cap increase basically covers Nylander extension doesn’t cover Matthews. They have to shave about 1.6 mil to cover Matthews extension then it’s dollar in dollar out. Hence why I said no chance you can give Domi and Bert raises without moving a high priced salary.

 

[ULF_55]

Doesn't the increase in the cap basically take care of the overage from those extensions?

I think it probably covers Nylander's increase, and that's about it.
The following is misleading, it includes Webber an unlikely player.
Only Woll for goaltenders.

 

[Confucius]

Don't know about you but I'm sick and tired of these 3 assholes making all the money, not leaving a cent and sucking ass in the playoffs. They are me first players. Not the kind that are endeared by most Leafs fans. All 3 can GTFO for all I care.

All players are me 1st. lol! If they weren’t they would all be playing for league minimum to help their team.

 

[thewave]

All players are me 1st. lol! If they weren’t they would all be playing for league minimum to help their team.

You are right. When the organization is We Stupid. That becomes a team issue.

 

[Antropovsky]

You want ME to weigh in on your interpretation of advanced stats? Quant isn't arithmetic. It is an analytical methodology. The obtuse need not apply because if I had a year, you wouldn't learn a thing based on your track record.

There you go skirting the question again and making it personal. I'll make it more clear, because you seem to be struggling with answering actual advanced stat questions.

This is an advanced stats professionals opinion on xgf% (not mine):

Question: What do you value more? GF% or xGF% or both, and why?
@MikeKellyNHL: Both are important. I place more value on expected goal differential in terms of understanding how well a player, a line or a team is playing from a process standpoint. This tends to affect GF% more than vice-versa. Over long samples, GF% will paint a fairly accurate picture but small sample, xGF% more indicative of play. It also eliminates the massive variable that is goaltending at both ends of the ice.

This is Marners xGF% with Matthews: 55.43%
This is Marners xGF% without Matthews: 46.73%
This is Matthews xGF% without Marner: 55.43%

Okay, now is the time to show your incredible advanced stats knowledge. What does this stat tell you?

 

[Superstar]

They easily do with Brodie and Samsonov coming off the cap. Whether it would be a good decision or not is a different story. If it were me, I would let Bertuzzi go.

They need to replace Brodie on d and Samsonov in net...Woll is promising, but his health is too unpredictable...Leafs should not be going into a new season without solid goaltending.

 

[ToneDog]

All players are me 1st. lol! If they weren’t they would all be playing for league minimum to help their team.

Or they could sign at market value.

 

[Trapper]

Or they could sign at market value.

Or management could be in control with an internal cap structure. You want more than this? Ok, hope the next team gives it to you.
Who runs the show. There is fair, there is lowball and there is greedy.
Management can be in the fair.

 

[Leafsfan74]

They need to replace Brodie on d and Samsonov in net...Woll is promising, but his health is too unpredictable...Leafs should not be going into a new season without solid goaltending.

Recall I said last offseason when Brad signed Klingberg that I would have tried to grab a #1 goalie instead (adding a few more dollars perhaps).

Regardless, what's done is done. Yes, Leafs should be shopping for a #1 with term.

 

[hullsy47]

I watched the Panthers-Rangers game last night and it was incredible how every player was fighting for every square inch of ice. I got to thinking that Marner would never put that kind of fight into a playoff game. He'd be a complete non-factor in that kind of game. I truly believe he will never be that kind of player because he operates best when he has time and space.

The core 4 got paid like champions period

 

[TheGreenTBer]

The core 4 got paid like champions period

They did.

We can't make the same mistakes anymore.

 

[Trapper]

They did.

We can't make the same mistakes anymore.

Never give out a contract you couldn’t move tomorrow if you need. That doesn’t mean lowball, but there should never be a NMC with these contracts. Limited 10 team trade is fine.

 

[Craig Button]

They did.

We can't make the same mistakes anymore.

They just did by signing Nylander
$11.5M x 8

 

[Trapper]

They just did by signing Nylander
$11.5M x 8

They did. But they can stop it with the next guy.

 

[Craig Button]

They did. But they can stop it with the next guy.

Well after signing Matthews at 13.5 and Nylander 11.5. There’s no other option for Tre than trading Marner.

Marner will get traded just will it be before the season starts or at the trade deadline and they will also have to retain cap.

But will Tre make smart decisions after trading Marner and having capspace?

I’m just not sure based on the bad decision he has made already.

 

[Arzak]

There you go skirting the question again and making it personal. I'll make it more clear, because you seem to be struggling with answering actual advanced stat questions.

This is an advanced stats professionals opinion on xgf% (not mine):



This is Marners xGF% with Matthews: 55.43%
This is Marners xGF% without Matthews: 46.73%
This is Matthews xGF% without Marner: 55.43%

Okay, now is the time to show your incredible advanced stats knowledge. What does this stat tell you?

^^ nailed it.

For the record, he won't respond addressing the stats.
I have $100 on Paul ignoring stat he can't dispute and going straight for an insult.

 

[Smif]

I watched the Panthers-Rangers game last night and it was incredible how every player was fighting for every square inch of ice. I got to thinking that Marner would never put that kind of fight into a playoff game. He'd be a complete non-factor in that kind of game. I truly believe he will never be that kind of player because he operates best when he has time and space.

He used to be in junior and at the beginning of his NHL career under Babcock. Under Keefe everyone has been neutered a bit.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

They just did by signing Nylander
$11.5M x 8

I know.

They don't have to throw more water on the grease fire by doing it again.

 

[DarkKnight]

Interesting on 590 when they interviewed Berube he characterized his conversation with Marner as excellent and said they're both excited, called him a great player.

 

[thewave]

Interesting on 590 when they interviewed Berube he characterized his conversation with Marner as excellent and said they're both excited, called him a great player.

We are filling this team out with 1 x 1m vets. Own rental

 

[Antropovsky]

Interesting on 590 when they interviewed Berube he characterized his conversation with Marner as excellent and said they're both excited, called him a great player.

Whats exactly was interesting about it to you?

It's customary for coaches to reach out their players after being hired. Berube said he had reached out to most, prior to his press conference.

Gonna need more information on the interview:

1) What could Berube have done otherwise? Not call Marner because he doesn't think he will be on the team?

2) What's he supposed to say when these obvious questions are asked to him? "I didnt talk to him because he's going to he traded".

Remember Babs praising Phaneuf daily, until he was traded to Ottawa?