Mitch Marner Offseason Continued

[Stinger8]

Matthews was also an absolute disaster but I see it is all Marners fault around here.
The absurdity of that should make you blush.

Mathews played below his potential and more was required but not close to Marners "contributions". Mathews finished some checks, was good in the faceoff circle and displayed some "effort" in all areas of the ice. Mathews did not turn the puck over on stick checks that became crushing goals against. The fact that Marner stated he would not change a thing and he was angry that people were being mean to him should give you hope that he will ultimately become a playoff "warrior" The fact that 95% plus on this board is done with Marner should not in any way shift you off of your unique appreciation for Mitch "the bitch" Marner

 

[Trapper]

Matthews was also an absolute disaster but I see it is all Marners fault around here.
The absurdity of that should make you blush.

It’s not all Marner’s fault, both he and Matthews have to shoulder a big percentage of it though.
Seriously more so than Galchenyuk/Thornton/whoever.

it just goes to show you if you think Marner is being unfairly treated that it takes a team to win. As much as you may love the regular season points there is only so long you can keep losing. The 4 cap distribution has destroyed the depth (remember when Brown was on the 4th line) and it needs to be rebuilt. Dubas has put the heat in the core even more so. He created the situation.

Matthews isn’t getting traded.
You can’t move JT.
Nylander at 7 million and a better goal scorer should stay.

Too many double digit salaries. When it comes down to building a complete team, something has to give and if you can’t get by the first round what good is paying all this core with no support?

It looks like we are doing the same thing again though but it can’t go on past this year.

 

[Blanche Blanche]

Here you go. If Marner was playing for the Stars, he would have been ripped to shreds by the owner or traded asap...your $11 million winger in a game 7, folks. Even though he knew exactly where the puck was, he pretended to skate towards it, swivels to not get it in fear of getting hit. I'm sorry, but that's a con man who had gotten his money and doesn't care. You wonder what else he is cheating on.

Him and Keefe need to GTfO Toronto

disgusting for a player making big $

absolutely biggest joke

there better be moves and the media scrum better have been a head fake for value

 

[Blanche Blanche]

I don’t think so this time. Leafs fans have not been this angry at management and a single player in a very very long time. I absolutely think he will be booed and his time as a leaf is over. His only way to redeem himself is in the playoffs….. there is no way he survives the scrutiny in this city between now and then.

If I see that 90lbs flyby scared of getting hit for 11M next season. I want Shan and Keefe fired.

No hockey for Toronto until next rebuild it seems.

see you guys in another decade if we keep this trash

 

[Gary Nylund]

Matthews was also an absolute disaster but I see it is all Marners fault around here.
The absurdity of that should make you blush.

Interesting perspective. I thought Matthews was much better than Marner myself.

 

[A1LeafNation]

He needs to learn to shoot, drive to the net, and work on making short tape to tape passes.

He does that and there is no stopping him.

 

[HarryLime]

He needs to learn to shoot, drive to the net, and work on making short tape to tape passes.

He does that and there is no stopping him.

I don't see that ever happening. This is the 3rd playoff series in a row where the other team basically let him beat himself and he hasn't adjusted. He tries to do EVRYTHING on his own and it leads to an insane turnover rate that kills our offense. It's predictable and easy to snuff out. It's annoying that most fans don't see this, they just look at numbers. His numbers suck, but his play tells us everything. A 120 pound kid coming at 5 defenders with lame dekes and shifts isn't hard to stop. It gets stopped almost 100% of the time but he doesn't learn. You can't friggin stickhandle past an entire team that sees you coming. Marner doesn't switch it up and doesn't have the game breaking speed or shot to at least keep defenders respect when they come at him. It's hilarious how feeble these attempts are.

He actually was contempt during the press conference and deflected as much blame as he could. He is a brat that will keep putting up points in the regular season and will be a liability for us in the playoffs. He's enabled by his team and the Leafs management. He's never been told no. Babcock is the only person that held him accountable and we know what happened there. Leafs core are not Toews/Kane/Crosby/Bergeron. They're young adults that want the keys and never want to be checked on anything. Tavares coming in did nothing because he is a mute. They laugh at him tbh. Leafs need a real leader. We don't have a leader in management/coaching/ice. IMO they need to fire Shanahan/Dubas today. Move off Mitch. Those 3 people need to go ASAP. If they can get rid of JT I would be in on that 100%. Matthews I hold out hope for. His actions are disappointing but I believe in him.

 

[Trapper]

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[socko]

He needs to learn to shoot, drive to the net, and work on making short tape to tape passes.

He does that and there is no stopping him.

So basically he needs to transform into Brayden Point.

 

[justashadowof]

Let me be clear here, I'm not joining the Marner bashing but the contract balance can't last any longer. It's completely unsustainable to have 3 x $11M players. I really like Marner and I really think he'll flourish elsewhere but he has to be considered as an opportunity to change the cap balance. Really I think 2 of the 3 $11M players have to go.

I see a lot were avoiding the Fire Dubas/Shanahan poll thread but I thought a very simple point was brought up there: each $11M player stores away a lot of potential team depth. That depth can used on defense, for scoring depth, for toughness, for goaltending. In numbers it's something like 1 x $11M player plus 2 x $1M players = 2 x $5M plus 1 x $3M. In most cases those players on the right outscore the players on the left. In most cases those players on the right on average play higher in the lineup and log higher minutes. In many cases those players on the right can have intangible characteristics like toughness, defensive acumen, positive teammate personality traits.

 

[A1LeafNation]

So basically he needs to transform into Brayden Point.

He does everything else.

He is too predictable. Needs to add a shot and net front presence to his game. He can pass with the best if them, but he needs to make adjustments.

 

[RoadWarrior]

Around here accountability starts like:
700K 1m - cost us the series. Fire into the sun

1-3M - trash, couldn’t score goals, get rid of

4-6 - that’s pretty much our D and Andersen, garbage

above 6m - see all above for excuses first

Nope. The problem is mostly Marner and the coaching staff. The lack of a PP quarterback. is on Dubas.

Some players actually performed (Campbell, Muzzin, Rielly, Nylander etc.) . Others did not (Marner, Matthews) ................ accountability.

It just so happens that the poor performers take up $22M of the Salary Cap which is very problematic.

 

[Notsince67]

It’s not all Marner’s fault, both he and Matthews have to shoulder a big percentage of it though.
Seriously more so than Galchenyuk/Thornton/whoever.

it just goes to show you if you think Marner is being unfairly treated that it takes a team to win. As much as you may love the regular season points there is only so long you can keep losing. The 4 cap distribution has destroyed the depth (remember when Brown was on the 4th line) and it needs to be rebuilt. Dubas has put the heat in the core even more so. He created the situation.

Matthews isn’t getting traded.
You can’t move JT.
Nylander at 7 million and a better goal scorer should stay.

Too many double digit salaries. When it comes down to building a complete team, something has to give and if you can’t get by the first round what good is paying all this core with no support?

It looks like we are doing the same thing again though but it can’t go on past this year.

So clearly you dont think the system is at fault here. Better just chaulk it up to franchise players who had identical issues.

 

[Trapper]

So clearly you dont think the system is at fault here. Better just chaulk it up to franchise players who had identical issues.

I think the whole thing is at fault. That starts from management on down.
I think the sun of the core is wrong for playoff success, I think the salary cap allocation is hurting a balanced team.

I don’t believe in the Dubas build. What else would you like me to say?

 

[RoadWarrior]

Hey he was golfing the next day he didn't want to hurt his arm
That's just brutal. Game 7 folks

Marner was doing this multiple times per game in the playoffs. If you look at his record in puck retrievals or battles throughout the series he lost about 95% of the time. Not only was he a scoring liability he was also a defensive liability. He was the definition of dead weight who looked completely disinterested in even participating in playoff hockey.

 

[Notsince67]

Interesting perspective. I thought Matthews was much better than Marner myself.

Matthew's wasn't shooting with blanks and neither was Marner. They got shut down. That is a systematic issue...not a player issue.

 

[Notsince67]

I think the whole thing is at fault. That starts from management on down.
I think the sun of the core is wrong for playoff success, I think the salary cap allocation is hurting a balanced team.

I don’t believe in the Dubas build. What else would you like me to say?

Keefe...?

 

[Gary Nylund]

Matthew's wasn't shooting with blanks and neither was Marner. They got shut down. That is a systematic issue...not a player issue.

Regardless of systems, I think Matthews played much better than Marner. JMHO.

 

[Trapper]

Keefe...?

I said whole thing.
Shanahan
Dubas
Keefe
Assistants
Core
Cap
Loss of quality depth
Lost draft picks and as a result Insufficient time to expect new drafted players to develop and fill quality roles on the team
Moving back to the Atlantic
Continued losing affecting mental health

I apologize if I missed anyone.

 

[ACC1224]

have they released any details of his injury yet?

 

[ACC1224]

Regardless of systems, I think Matthews played much better than Marner. JMHO.

I’d agree although their impact was pretty much the same.

 

[Notsince67]

Regardless of systems, I think Matthews played much better than Marner. JMHO.

It is irrelevant. My point is the evidence. Had Marner not been on that line and Matthew's put up the same numbers, would that convince you something is amuck?

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Marner was 4th in points this year… what was he suppose to sign for? 6 mil a year?

also since joining the Leafs, Marner has the highest PPG in the playoffs.

I know that doesn’t fit ppls narratives and I was pissed at him too but relax

fun fact: Marner had more points than Patty Kane who ppl wanted to vote for the Hart!

That's great for all you yahoo's who think points are da be all end all .. to me it is scoring key goals when it counts and 0 goals in 18 games is pretty much useless .. he can't succeed due to lack of skills in playoffs

 

[Notsince67]

I said whole thing.
Shanahan
Dubas
Keefe
Assistants
Core
Cap
Loss of quality depth
Lost draft picks and as a result Insufficient time to expect new drafted players to develop and fill quality roles on the team
Moving back to the Atlantic
Continued losing affecting mental health

I apologize if I missed anyone.

Great. Surgery by grenade. Perfect storm of shit then.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

This great level of hockey knowledge is helpful. Please name 3 top 5 players in the league in nhl history that were not capable of playing in the playoffs due to skill. This is truly a new level of study and should be a phd dissertation so lets have it.

Who cares it is about hockey skills .. his stride length is very short and he can't get to next straight line speed gear most other guys can in playoffs .. and he is weak physically so he can't use power to break through traps .. so bottom line he is trying his damndest but he just can't make it happen