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JT AM da real deal said:
Da truth hurts .. but again please remember he does not have da extra playoff speed or strength in his body .. he is giving it his all .. all blame should go to a rook GM who did not understand fully what he was getting for AAV .. or maybe GM does not care about playoffs either who knows .. Mitch produces in season when he has more time and space and he will next regular season too
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Marner was 4th in points this year… what was he suppose to sign for? 6 mil a year?

also since joining the Leafs, Marner has the highest PPG in the playoffs.

I know that doesn’t fit ppls narratives and I was pissed at him too but relax

fun fact: Marner had more points than Patty Kane who ppl wanted to vote for the Hart!
 
Notsince67 said:
So you are saying that the sole reason the Leafs lost was because of 1 player with the second highest shots 5x5 on the team, the second highest xga and one of the top players in hits taken.
Seems like a pretty lazy assessment, thanks.
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I may have missed it, but can I ask for your assessment of his playoff? I know you're a fan of his, so I'm just curious on what you think happened and why? I know I'm pretty down on his play, especially when I look at his last 2 playoffs combined.

Was it just bad luck and lack of finish from his linemates for his lack of production? Evidence of a bigger playoff problem? Maybe none of the above.

I do agree he was fine defensively (I have noticed you post that previously). Even with that turnover in Game 7 he had support and it was a brutal goal to allow.
 
TOGuy14 said:
There is a difference between being a leader and being liked by your friends.

When a team gets wiped out five years in a row in the first round, you make mega bucks and had a woeful series and someone asks if you change anything to prepare for the playoffs and answer "nope" you clearly aren't a leader, or certainly not the one we need
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The letter to fans was vain... like he thought he was LeBron James? Has any other NHL player done anything like this? He only had one ppg season under his belt and he's penning a letter to the fans...listing off leaf greats...making his contract end in .893 for gilmour....

Guys head is huge or his management and dad is encouraging him to shove himself down hockey fans throats to try to build a brand and get endorsement deals.

.. he was drafted 4th overall, not the unanimous #1 or anything. You'd think he was Connor McDavid... a picture of him sleeping in leaf pajamas on instragram would have sufficed.
 
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AllDay28 said:
Marner was 4th in points this year… what was he suppose to sign for? 6 mil a year?

also since joining the Leafs, Marner has the highest PPG in the playoffs.

I know that doesn’t fit ppls narratives and I was pissed at him too but relax

fun fact: Marner had more points than Patty Kane who ppl wanted to vote for the Hart!
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Who cares about that when he goes missing when it matters the most like the playoffs.
 
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Antropovsky said:
.... the stats you listed are 100% all hits taken while he was getting the puck?
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No, definitely not. But that of course doesn't fit his narrative that he's trying to drive home. Marner was 100% not a dog on a bone, battling, and taking hits to get the puck. He was getting hit because his decision making slowed down due to his nerves. He handled the puck like a grenade out there. Hence the eye popping 5 over the glass penalties in his young playoff career. So giving a small shifty guy credit for getting hit due to brain farts...is an odd one. High end, undersized players, typically don't take punishment. They spin out, they're elusive, they're shifty. Guys like Patrick Kane. Or guys like....regular season Mitch Marner. Notsince67 also wants to give credit for the low percentage muffin shots Marner threw at the goal. None of which put any fan on the edge of their seat (outside of the 2 on 1 that Price robbed Marner on). Why did he throw low percentage shots on goal? See the grenade statement. When Marner is going, he's making plays you don't see, he's thinking one step ahead....he didn't do that in the playoffs. Hence getting hit more than usual, 2 over the glass penalties, and a plethora of Marner Muffins (he should patent that, see if Timmies will get that going for him) on the net. Marner is an exceptional talent. I wanted us to draft him, and I'm still happy we have him. But trying to spin anything into this being a redeemable series for him is absolutely laughable.
 
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AllDay28 said:
Marner was 4th in points this year… what was he suppose to sign for? 6 mil a year?

also since joining the Leafs, Marner has the highest PPG in the playoffs.

I know that doesn’t fit ppls narratives and I was pissed at him too but relax

fun fact: Marner had more points than Patty Kane who ppl wanted to vote for the Hart!
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Awesome. Now he just needs to trade some of those points for a heart and a set of balls.
 
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Gallagbi said:
I may have missed it, but can I ask for your assessment of his playoff? I know you're a fan of his, so I'm just curious on what you think happened and why? I know I'm pretty down on his play, especially when I look at his last 2 playoffs combined.

Was it just bad luck and lack of finish from his linemates for his lack of production? Evidence of a bigger playoff problem? Maybe none of the above.

I do agree he was fine defensively (I have noticed you post that previously). Even with that turnover in Game 7 he had support and it was a brutal goal to allow.
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His game 7 was awful. I saw the reason for the teams loss as largely systematic. Whether they have the skill to play an appropriate system is arguable but the team wholehearted bought into a newer system this year and it doesnt work in the playoffs if that is all they are showing. Matthews got a lot of looks yet his shooting percentage was in the toilet. That shouldn't happen to a Rocket winner. There was no attempt to make price uncomfortable and Hyman was like a fourth goalie blocking shots from M&M.
I know Marners North South weaknesses. He shouldn't be moving the puck up ice like a centre with everyone in front of him. He should be moving ot up like a winger with some step on at least a couple of players. The defense is totally weak at puck movement, so that is a big problem.
 
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Marner like AM and a few others, Keefe, Soup, Engvall, Simmonds, Jumbo... had a horrible playoffs. I don't care if you keep flashing your advance stats, they didn't show up. Now, you really can't expect bottom 6 to play lights out, bc there are reasons why they are bottom 6 and not top 6.
Keefe either made the wrong adjustments-like changing the lineup after a complete shutout domination win or didn't make any adjustments at all, like the PP or split up the top line to spread the talents.
Marner and AM played horrible, they are the leaders of the this team and just need to dominate.
Like I in my other posts, forget about hitting another gear, they can't even hit the same gear as they did in the regular season.
 
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Rokker said:
Nylander showed up for the playoffs, and scored 5 goals.

Hes also 4 million cheaper.

He typically gets ripped on for his physical play and seemingly lackadaisical attitude sometimes.

Nylander redeemed himself this series.

Marners issues were exacerbated.
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Nylander played well in a limited role. Really good on the powerplay but 5x5, his line was challenged defensively. They allowed more goals in a sheltered line. Not saying he didnt do well but he would have been buried on the first like the rest of them.
 
Rokker said:
Nylander showed up for the playoffs, and scored 5 goals.

Hes also 4 million cheaper.

He typically gets ripped on for his physical play and seemingly lackadaisical attitude sometimes.

Nylander redeemed himself this series.

Marners issues were exacerbated.
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Nylander isn’t on the block.
In fact move Marner and get another 6 mil Nylander.
You could build a 3rd line of Kadri-Brown money with it.
 
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Notsince67 said:
Nylander played well in a limited role. Really good on the powerplay but 5x5, his line was challenged defensively. They allowed more goals in a sheltered line. Not saying he didnt do well but he would have been buried on the first like the rest of them.
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Fact is Nylander was the hot hand all series, and shouldn't have been in a limited role to begin with.

That is on Keefe.

Who knows what would have happened if Nylander got bumped up.

His shot is more respected than Marner's. May have given Matty the space he needed.

May have also allowed Marner to excel against lesser comp.

Either way you cut it - Nylander played up to his contract.

Marner did not.
 
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PromisedLand said:
Whats the over/under marner gets the larry murphy treatment on opening night?

I used to be a huge Marner fan but his post game and in game series performance really ticked me off
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He is getting booed. For Sure, apologists will be out in full force too, but.... the key is to wait until the cheers have died down to start booing.
 
TorMapleJays said:
He is getting booed. For Sure, apologists will be out in full force too, but.... the key is to wait until the cheers have died down to start booing.
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Marner's attitude post series was PATHETIC

Gm 1: gives away the puck that leads the puck out on PP; then Leafs gain entry with Matthews-Jumbo and Sandin F up
Gm 1: puck over the glass kill penalty
Gm 6: puck over the glass with no one around him habs get 5 on 3 and score
Gm 7: gives away the puck on the blue line, habs score to take the lead (game was tied 0-0 till then)

AND he has the temerity to not take any responsibility for SUCKING ASS

I was absolutely disgusted by his post series presser.
 
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PromisedLand said:
Whats the over/under marner gets the larry murphy treatment on opening night?

I used to be a huge marner fan but his post game and in game series performance really ticked me off
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It’ll be forgotten by then and fans will just be happy to be in the building.
 
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