Mitch Marner Offseason Continued

[VanW27]

I don't think he'll be traded but with 4 years and 24.8mill (6.2per avg.) remaining after his signing bonus gets paid out it gives Dubas some options.

If, and I think its a big if, he does get traded it won't happen until that bonus is paid (July 28th I believe)

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I wanted him traded after the Columbus series. He can't withstand playoff hockey. If Toronto got lucky and played the Oilers he might trick people, like he does in the season but he is the equivalent of sending out a British Musketeer into WWII. He isn't equipped for battle.

Funny how Nylander was dragged around for his contract situation, when Marner did the same BS, for way more money. Like I really don't see how anyone can be delusional enough to watch him play against physical teams in the playoffs and think he's due next time.... Nah lol. He is actually even worse than his stats and that is amazing. I've never watched a guy more ineffective than him in a playoff series. No.... He isn't the worst but he is our #2 player (allegedly) and he gets soooo many chances that other guys would have capitalized on at least a couple times. For his high usage rates and him being tilted so trying even harder makes him the worst forward I've seen in a 2 year playoff run.

Montreal isn't even that physical and they made him look like an amateur trying to dance around. Any time they wanted the puck, they either took it or they let him try to do his weird magic stuff and he would just turn it over and fall down.

But please keep defending him. I'm doing a case study on some posters here.

Da truth hurts .. but again please remember he does not have da extra playoff speed or strength in his body .. he is giving it his all .. all blame should go to a rook GM who did not understand fully what he was getting for AAV .. or maybe GM does not care about playoffs either who knows .. Mitch produces in season when he has more time and space and he will next regular season too

 

[Nylander88]

If it weren't for the selfishness of Mathews and Marner demanding huge pay days and "Dupe US " capitulating ... We would have money to keep players like Brown - Kapanen- Johnson - and soon to be Hyman .

Matthews isn't a huge pay day for a generational goal scoring center. He's going to be the best goal scorer in the league for the next 5-10 years. Matthews actually threw his body in the playoffs. He's also become a good two way center. He deserves what he got. Yes 1 goal in the playoffs is upsetting, but they game planned for him and he became easier to shut down when our second line lost Tavares, and most importantly, Marner disappeared on him. Instead of trying to shut down our top line, all they had to do was shut down Matthews. McDavid got shut down pretty good too by the Jets, it happens. You could see Matthews and McDavid were trying though. Marner just looked uninterested the entire series. That's what has people upset

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Matthews isn't a huge pay day for a generational goal scoring center that. He's going to be the best goal scorer in the league for the next 5-10 years. Matthews actually threw his body in the playoffs. He's also become a good two way center. He deserves what he got. Yes 1 goal in the playoffs is upsetting, but they game planned for him and he became easier to shut down when our second line lost Tavares, and most importantly, Marner disappeared on him. Instead of trying to shut down our top line, all they had to do was shut down Matthews. McDavid got shut down pretty good too by the Jets, it happens. You could see Matthews and McDavid were trying though. Marner just looked uninterested the entire series. That's what has people upset

Here here .. well stated .. point is though he did not leave any CAP $$$ on table .. so team had no depth when JT went down .. all these guys took Dubie to wood shed for max they could get .. and heh i do get it too .. these are poorer kids whose families had to make huge sacrifices for them to get to show .. this is not Hyman's or Nylander's whose nhl comp is pocket change .. seems everyone takes Dubie to wood shed .. i am sure Zach will too as everyone else has

 

[Notsince67]

We really should've put Nylander on Matthews' line. That should say a lot about our 11M winger.

Given they have the same number of 5x5 shifts, who shifts in the other 23% of the time when he skates off or would you suggest Matthews lowers his minutes closer to Nylanders?

 

[Notsince67]

Matthews isn't a huge pay day for a generational goal scoring center that. He's going to be the best goal scorer in the league for the next 5-10 years. Matthews actually threw his body in the playoffs. He's also become a good two way center. He deserves what he got. Yes 1 goal in the playoffs is upsetting, but they game planned for him and he became easier to shut down when our second line lost Tavares, and most importantly, Marner disappeared on him. Instead of trying to shut down our top line, all they had to do was shut down Matthews. McDavid got shut down pretty good too by the Jets, it happens. You could see Matthews and McDavid were trying though. Marner just looked uninterested the entire series. That's what has people upset

What do you mean he disappeared on him exactly?
Passes, shots on net, hits, hits taken, shot quality?

 

[Byron Bitz]

I think he can still salvage his relationship with the fan base. If he renegotiates his contract to a lower cap hit and publicly apologizes and I really do believe this fan base will get behind him.

 

[stickty111]

He had Nylander production without the goals with Bozak, and that was when he was still on a PP with Matthews and he was still getting JvR and Bozak at ES. JvR was a 30+ goal scorer without the likes of Marner helping him. Marner just helped him become a 35 goal scorer.

I don't think Marner can drive a line. Matthews and Tavares can drive a line. Heck I think Nylander can probably drive a line better on his own than Marner. Did a good job of it in the playoffs with Galchenyuk and Kerfoot on his line. Marner can just compliment scorers very well and make their lives easier... when he doesn't suck. If he doesn't have anything to compliment, however, he is a major non-factor because he has no shot or skill that can make him a threat on his own. That doesn't make him a line driver in my books.

Agreed. Another thing is Marner has been handed everything by this organization. To getting good players as linemates as a rookie while Matthews played with 3rd line rookies, and Nylander always having to fight for a consistent top 6 spot because of Babcock's biases, free PP1 time and obviously the contract.
Bozak and JVR were always good offensive players so this notion that Marner made them is not accurate.

 

[TOGuy14]

Agreed. Another thing is Marner has been handed everything by this organization. To getting good players as linemates as a rookie while Matthews played with 3rd line rookies, and Nylander always having to fight for a consistent top 6 spot because of Babcock's biases, free PP1 time and obviously the contract.
Bozak and JVR were always good offensive players so this notion that Marner made them is not accurate.

I can get behind this notion.

For too long Mitch and Paul have called the shots and the relationship dynamic needs to change. Back to basics here, remove the A from his jersey to start - he may put up points but he isn't a leader.

 

[Notsince67]

I can get behind this notion.

For too long Mitch and Paul have called the shots and the relationship dynamic needs to change. Back to basics here, remove the A from his jersey to start - he may put up points but he isn't a leader.

He is a leader as is evidenced by pretty well the whole roster's statements. Did this nugget of insight just come to you while sober and lucid?

 

[Antropovsky]

I can get behind this notion.

For too long Mitch and Paul have called the shots and the relationship dynamic needs to change. Back to basics here, remove the A from his jersey to start - he may put up points but he isn't a leader.

Not even close... acts like a teenage boy out there. A letter should go on the chest of a player who is mature beyond their years. But I realize alot of young elite players are given letters quickly. The long ass 1-11 count he did on Campbell after the 11 wins to start the season seemed fake and planned. He knew it would be out all over TV. Marner doesn't miss a chance to put himself all over TV. Had to make sure he got himself a special hug after wins with Andersen too. I remember people soured in Subban in Montreal for similar stuff...but Subban maybe was a little more attention obsessed.

 

[Dreakmur]

I can get behind this notion.

For too long Mitch and Paul have called the shots and the relationship dynamic needs to change. Back to basics here, remove the A from his jersey to start - he may put up points but he isn't a leader.

They tried it in London too... with hilarious results

 

[Mickey Marner]

He had Nylander production without the goals with Bozak, and that was when he was still on a PP with Matthews and he was still getting JvR and Bozak at ES. JvR was a 30+ goal scorer without the likes of Marner helping him. Marner just helped him become a 35 goal scorer.

I don't think Marner can drive a line. Matthews and Tavares can drive a line. Heck I think Nylander can probably drive a line better on his own than Marner. Did a good job of it in the playoffs with Galchenyuk and Kerfoot on his line. Marner can just compliment scorers very well and make their lives easier... when he doesn't suck. If he doesn't have anything to compliment, however, he is a major non-factor because he has no shot or skill that can make him a threat on his own. That doesn't make him a line driver in my books.

He had one fewer goal than Nylander in four fewer games when he was centered by Bozak/Kadri and he didn't play with Matthews on the PP those two years, Nylander did. No need to revise history while we run him out of town, he's done enough to earn it.

 

[hamzarocks]

Matthews and Marner collectively should be facing around the same level of pressure that 2012 Lebron faced going into the playoffs.

Obviously, NBA is way bigger than NHL, but these two really have a legacy determining season coming up.

5 failures in a row for them, with huge contracts there are huge expectations. Both need to deliver if they want to be regarded positively and memorably for their leaf careers once they retire

Next year we need to win at least a minimum 4 playoff games though realistically it should be a cup or bust mentality with everyone being in their prime and next year being potentially the last year we have Rielly on the roster.

 

[Notsince67]

Da truth hurts .. but again please remember he does not have da extra playoff speed or strength in his body .. he is giving it his all .. all blame should go to a rook GM who did not understand fully what he was getting for AAV .. or maybe GM does not care about playoffs either who knows .. Mitch produces in season when he has more time and space and he will next regular season too

This great level of hockey knowledge is helpful. Please name 3 top 5 players in the league in nhl history that were not capable of playing in the playoffs due to skill. This is truly a new level of study and should be a phd dissertation so lets have it.

 

[TOGuy14]

He is a leader as is evidenced by pretty well the whole roster's statements. Did this nugget of insight just come to you while sober and lucid?

There is a difference between being a leader and being liked by your friends.

When a team gets wiped out five years in a row in the first round, you make mega bucks and had a woeful series and someone asks if you change anything to prepare for the playoffs and answer "nope" you clearly aren't a leader, or certainly not the one we need

 

[Notsince67]

There is a difference between being a leader and being liked by your friends.

When a team gets wiped out five years in a row in the first round, you make mega bucks and had a woeful series and someone asks if you change anything to prepare for the playoffs and answer "nope" you clearly aren't a leader, or certainly not the one we need

So you are saying that the sole reason the Leafs lost was because of 1 player with the second highest shots 5x5 on the team, the second highest xga and one of the top players in hits taken.
Seems like a pretty lazy assessment, thanks.

 

[Antropovsky]

So you are saying that the sole reason the Leafs lost was because of 1 player with the second highest shots 5x5 on the team, the second highest xga and one of the top players in hits taken.
Seems like a pretty lazy assessment, thanks.

He played like 27 mins a night and routinely didn't move the puck fast enough...of course he was a target of many hits.

 

[Racer88]

He is a leader as is evidenced by pretty well the whole roster's statements. Did this nugget of insight just come to you while sober and lucid?

If he actually is a leader to the rest of them, that explains a lot.
Leaders do not disappear when the going gets tough

 

[Racer88]

There is a difference between being a leader and being liked by your friends.

When a team gets wiped out five years in a row in the first round, you make mega bucks and had a woeful series and someone asks if you change anything to prepare for the playoffs and answer "nope" you clearly aren't a leader, or certainly not the one we need

This is truth

 

[Racer88]

So you are saying that the sole reason the Leafs lost was because of 1 player with the second highest shots 5x5 on the team, the second highest xga and one of the top players in hits taken.
Seems like a pretty lazy assessment, thanks.

Are these stats for the regular season or the playoffs?
I do not think he is the sole reason they lost but he is so far from being a leader and it’s not even close

 

[Trapper]

There is a difference between being a leader and being liked by your friends.

When a team gets wiped out five years in a row in the first round, you make mega bucks and had a woeful series and someone asks if you change anything to prepare for the playoffs and answer "nope" you clearly aren't a leader, or certainly not the one we need

 

[Notsince67]

He played like 27 mins a night and routinely didn't move the puck fast enough...of course he was a target of many hits.

It's called taking a hit to get the puck.

 

[Notsince67]

If he actually is a leader to the rest of them, that explains a lot.
Leaders do not disappear when the going gets tough

Well at least that is a coherent answer

 

[Notsince67]

Are these stats for the regular season or the playoffs?
I do not think he is the sole reason they lost but he is so far from being a leader and it’s not even close

Look up 5x5 individual stats on natural stat trick for both