Mitch Marner discussion thread continued ..

[ECYCLE]

I would assume the real issue with his contract negotiation wasn’t money but more of a pride issue.

Marner saw the organization play hardball on Nylander and then roll out the red carpet for Auston Matthews’ extension like the Prince of Gotham. And in his mind his 94 point season and being hometown boy made him every bit the franchise player the Leafs were treating Matthews as. I think that false equivalency based on regular season points is what catapulted Marner from the Aho, Barzal, Rantanen and Point grouping to more of a McDavid, Matthews, Eichel salary bracket.

As skilled as Mitch is, his talent level is unevenly distributed and he doesn’t have a lot of the maturity, confidence and killer instinct a lot of other superstars have to thrive in these big moments. What’s worrisome is he doesn’t seem to have really worked on his shooting or physical strength over the past 5 years. Up to him to prove us wrong.

He's the clear definition of the entitled brat. The Leafs organization and Paul Marner rewarded that entitled behaviour so bad on them, but at one point, it's up to the actual player to realize his deficiencies and learn to become motivated to always become a better version of themselves. Otherwise, he will never reach his potential ceiling. Considering his talent, that's a criminal waste.

I have been pretty harsh on Marner more than any other Leaf simply because of his stark refusal to learn from his mistakes. I'm hoping that Marner can finally elevate himself in today's game, but forgive me if I roll my eyes in disbelief.

 

[supermann_98]

Hope Mitch is already at the rink, getting ready to play.

More likely he's making wakeboarding plans for tomorrow up at the cottage

 

[JT AM da real deal]

If we win it will be Kerfoot, Willy, Spezz, Brodie and Soup who get er done .. they are bringing it every night .. play da F*** out of those guys and PRAY

 

[Racer88]

Look at how Rantanen is playing for Colorado then look at Marner. And Marner got more money. Ridiculous.

Yup and that is all on Dubas. Marner is totally arrogant thinking he is even close to those other players mentioned as his comparable. He is the worst of the bunch and the highest paid. It’s a disgrace

 

[ItsFineImFine]

I don't think Marner is not trying or thinking about the cottage or whatever else. He's doing his best but his best is not worth $11 M when it comes to the playoffs. Let's be real here, he's a playmaker who's dependent on other people for offense generation, he isn't like Rantanen who can make plays but also an actual scoring threat himself or strong enough to withstand the type of stuff that goes on in playoff hockey. He won't suddenly start playing better because he's the same player.

Not his fault for wanting to cash in, the way his camp went about it was pretty disgusting but the fault is more at the organization for granting an unproven playmaker an $11 M contract.

 

[ECYCLE]

I don't think Marner is not trying or thinking about the cottage or whatever else. He's doing his best but his best is not worth $11 M when it comes to the playoffs. Let's be real here, he's a playmaker who's dependent on other people for offense generation, he isn't like Rantanen who can make plays but also an actual scoring threat himself or strong enough to withstand the type of stuff that goes on in playoff hockey. He won't suddenly start playing better because he's the same player.

Not his fault for wanting to cash in, the way his camp went about it was pretty disgusting but the fault is more at the organization for granting an unproven playmaker an $11 M contract.

This kind of post is why he is such an entitled brat.

 

[meefer]

Mitch Marner will be there, the team will be there, we're going to win this mudderfrackin game!

 

[JohnnyBerts]

I don't think Marner is not trying or thinking about the cottage or whatever else. He's doing his best but his best is not worth $11 M when it comes to the playoffs. Let's be real here, he's a playmaker who's dependent on other people for offense generation, he isn't like Rantanen who can make plays but also an actual scoring threat himself or strong enough to withstand the type of stuff that goes on in playoff hockey. He won't suddenly start playing better because he's the same player.

Not his fault for wanting to cash in, the way his camp went about it was pretty disgusting but the fault is more at the organization for granting an unproven playmaker an $11 M contract.

Agreed.

My opinion, is this happens when you let the environment dictate the contract. Once they signed Tavares, Matthews was getting more, Nylander was holding out and Marner was going to ride that train as far as it could go.

Could have been avoided by not signing Johnny T and locking up Matthews and Marner at 8 years each for less than they signed. I feel like the Toronto camp wanted that star studded lineup without managing the cap properly. The biggest problem with overpaying players is exactly what we see in Toronto right now.

 

[ZEBROA]

"Effort smeffort" Leafs new slogan

If we get a powerplay or two. Nylander on pp1 and we win. Even if he dont touch the puck.

Hmm wrong thread.

And Marner will unsuck himself and all will be good. Hopefully Will too.

 

[Menzinger]

He definitely took a bit of a "beating" on the Mirtle and Siegle Leafs Report pod today



The issue with him clearly ain't physical, it's mental. He's overthinking stuff on the ice way too much. I honestly wonder if dropping hi mm down to the third line/ swapping him and Nylander for a few shifts would help him find his game to get him going. Problem is it's already game 7....

 

[HamiltonNHL]

The issue with him clearly ain't physical, it's mental.

His game doesn't translate well in the playoffs.

Sure he's psyched out as well.

But teams lock down Matthews and let him shoot.

One legged Hyman worsens the situation

He should not be on PP1. Period. End of story.

 

[RebuildYear5]

Mitch Marner has taken six penalties during the playoffs in his entire NHL career (31 games), and five of those calls were puck over the glass calls. His last one was the worst of them all. At this point, this isn't a mistake to forgive since clearly, he doesn't understand how to learn from his mistakes. Grow the f*** up.

And he has the audacity to cry about the puck over the glass penalty. What a dumba**.

Okay mr.Perfect....its funny you have so much to say about a player that has more talent in his pinky finger then you're whole body bahahha.

People make mistakes bud, and his positives most definitely weight out the negatives.

You're upset because he shows passion, clearly you're the one who needs to grow up....taking hits at the kid like you're in pre school.

 

[Curt]

Okay mr.Perfect....its funny you have so much to say about a player that has more talent in his pinky finger then you're whole body bahahha.

People make mistakes bud, and his positives most definitely weight out the negatives.

You're upset because he shows passion, clearly you're the one who needs to grow up....taking hits at the kid like you're in pre school.

Lol holy Paul marner alert

 

[ECYCLE]

Okay mr.Perfect....its funny you have so much to say about a player that has more talent in his pinky finger then you're whole body bahahha.

People make mistakes bud, and his positives most definitely weight out the negatives.

You're upset because he shows passion, clearly you're the one who needs to grow up....talking hits at the kid like you're in pre school.

Go rewatch the puck over the glass penalty in game 6. Take a good look at where he is on the ice and how much time he had with the puck to make that move. That's not a simple mistake and you're fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

Based on your responses, your ignorance, ineptitude and undeserved loyalty to Marner is a total laughingstock. Thanks for the entertainment.

 

[Curt]

Im at the point where im hoping for a loss tonight so there's a chance this selfish clown gets traded. Will never win anything with this anvil on the cap

 

[VanW27]

He seems completely stuck mentally, everything inside him says to pass, delay, find the open man but at the same time he knows he needs to shoot, he's being told he needs to shoot.

The result is what we see going on now. He gets the puck in prime shooting location off a scramble or quick counter play and he delays or passes off but there's just not the same time and space in the playoffs to make the extra play and it kills the chance. Later he'll get the puck with some time to think and knowing he needs to shoot more he wastes a completely hopeless shot into the shins of a dman.

Its really a minor thing but with time and space at a premium you need to be able to make the decision extremely quick before its gone and when that's the case his instincts tell him to pass/delay every time.

 

[RebuildYear5]

Go rewatch the puck over the glass penalty in game 6. Take a good look at where he is on the ice and how much time he had with the puck to make that move. That's not a simple mistake and you're fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

Based on your responses, your ineptitude and undeserved loyalty to Marner is a total laughingstock. Thanks for the entertainment.

Lmfao you listen to the media and allow them to decide for you....youre so intelligent.

So much time really, hmmm that tells me you have never been in a real life situation....probably some old man that still lives in his moms basement.

Facts are in that situation he had maybe a second to decide how he was going to clear the puck....and most people would have done the same or turned the puck over.

Not to mention maybe if half our team pulled there weight he wouldn't have to do everything, hence why he's making more mistakes....its prone to happen when you're the only one trying to win!

The kid plays every situation possible, go watch all the games again and count how many times Mitch saved a goal then get back too me.

 

[ShaneFalco]

His game doesn't translate well in the playoffs.

Sure he's psyched out as well.

But teams lock down Matthews and let him shoot.

One legged Hyman worsens the situation

He should not be on PP1. Period. End of story.

This exactly. Everyone knows he's looking to pass and if he does shoot, noone is worried

 

[ECYCLE]

Lmfao you listen to the media and allow them to decide for you....youre so intelligent.

So much time really, hmmm that tells me you have never been in a real life situation....probably some old man that still lives in his moms basement.

Facts are in that situation he had maybe a second to decide how he was going to clear the puck....and most people would have done the same or turned the puck over.

Not to mention maybe if half our team pulled there weight he wouldn't have to do everything, hence why he's making more mistakes....its prone to happen when you're the only one trying to win!

The kid plays every situation possible, go watch all the games again and count how many times Mitch saved a goal then get back too me.

Haha, if you have nothing else to reach for in your limited bag of retorts then I think you should log off and go lie down.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

He definitely took a bit of a "beating" on the Mirtle and Siegle Leafs Report pod today



The issue with him clearly ain't physical, it's mental. He's overthinking stuff on the ice way too much. I honestly wonder if dropping hi mm down to the third line/ swapping him and Nylander for a few shifts would help him find his game to get him going. Problem is it's already game 7....

He should have been off of the top PP in the regular season when he was the main problem with it. It has persisted in the playoffs and it is painfully obvious that he is the problem on the PP. There may be other problems on the PP, but you will never know because Marner's issues are so glaring and affect so many other things.

 

[RebuildYear5]

Lol holy Paul marner alert

Who says that crap about someone?
And too think you guys call yourself leafs fans, lmfao

Clearly you're the one that needs to grow up slim.

But hey we can all talk about how Mitch signed for soo much,meanwhile Nylander didnt play for half a season to get paid more.

Delusional people man

 

[IPS]

Who says that crap about someone?
And too think you guys call yourself leafs fans, lmfao

Clearly you're the one that needs to grow up slim.

But hey we can all talk about how Mitch signed for soo much,meanwhile Nylander didnt play for half a season to get paid more.

Delusional people man

Dude quit giving Marner this undying defense - he doesn't deserve it.

 

[RebuildYear5]

Haha, if you have nothing else to reach for in your limited bag of retorts then I think you should log off and go lie down.

Learn how to spell slim, guess spell check failed again lol.

What would you unintelligent people do without it, wouldn't be able to put a sentence together.

 

[ECYCLE]

Learn how to spell slim, guess spell check failed again lol.

What would you unintelligent people do without it, wouldn't be able to put a sentence together.

Lol, what word did I fail to spell? Let me guess, retort? Your ineptitude is showing.

I'm not going to continue responding to you because clearly you have nothing worthwhile to actually bring to the table.

 

[RebuildYear5]

Dude quit giving Marner this undying defense - he doesn't deserve it.

He's easily top5 best Maple Leaf of all time, are you delusional?

Guys plays better defense then Nylander could ever dream of playing....hence why Marner plays PK and Willie doesnt!

Do you watch the games or process everything and allow the media to do it for you?

Marner has the most offensive/defensive plays on our team the past few years....not one guy on our team has his skill set.