Mitch Marner Discussion Continued

[Dekes For Days]

What they are paid is totally relevant.

What does Nylander and Spezza know that the other 2 don’t ?

What they are paid is irrelevant. If they were paid a different amount, it wouldn't change anything we are discussing. As any player will tell you, sometimes you play really well, and you can't buy a goal. Sometimes, you play not so great, and you get all the bounces. It's not like players go through an endless cycle of attaining some inner wisdom, and then forgetting it. There's just a decent amount of scoring variability in small samples.

What do you think Nylander and Spezza know that countless other players on multiple teams didn't?
Who on the other team do you think most stopped Matthews and Marner from producing more?

 

[Racer88]

What they are paid is irrelevant. If they were paid a different amount, it wouldn't change anything we are discussing. As any player will tell you, sometimes you play really well, and you can't buy a goal. Sometimes, you play not so great, and you get all the bounces. It's not like players go through an endless cycle of attaining some inner wisdom, and then forgetting it. There's just a decent amount of scoring variability in small samples.

What do you think Nylander and Spezza know that countless other players on multiple teams didn't?
Who on the other team do you think most stopped Matthews and Marner from producing more?

Spezza and Willy worked harder and produced.
Nobody on the Habs stopped Matthews and Marner…….they failed all on their own

 

[mikeyz]

What they're paid is irrelevant. A goalie being hot doesn't mean that absolutely nobody scores ever. Price is the primary reason Matthews/Marner didn't score more. They dominated their matchup.

Ahhhhh the infamous “We ran into a “hot” goalie” excuse for losing.

 

[myleafs]

Ahhhhh the infamous “We ran into a “hot” goalie” excuse for losing.

Its amazing how this keeps happening to us. We are so unlucky......

 

[Racer88]

Its amazing how this keeps happening to us. We are so unlucky......

Well you know when the expected goals and the expected wins don’t show………….good thing we dominated them. We sure showed them eh boys

 

[Gabriel426]

I would say because the conversation needs balance. Breaking his entire character down and game down with one side of the evaluation isn’t the way it works.

Matthews and Marner on the same line was fun to see. Now they have to be on different lines. It wasn’t good for either of them as the season rolled on. It became way to stagnant and predictable. Marner looking for the pass and Matthews waiting for the pass and little flow.

Tavares and Marner are a much more unpredictable combination because Tavares causes havoc down low with his style of game and Marner’s best game is in the box between the face of dots to the top of the circle.

Keefe needs to break them up from being a set line. Matthews became a stand around slipping in to soft ice to receive the pass. That guy shouldn’t be playing the soft game at his size and with them hands. That’s why he disappears in the playoffs, there is no soft ice. It disappears in the playoffs.

Anyways likely we will see them paired up again playing the predictable low flow play.

Great post and could not agree more

 

[cannucky]

Great post and could not agree more

Exactly , sorry guys someone got butt hurt and I don't have a like button

 

[Antropovsky]

What they are paid is irrelevant. If they were paid a different amount, it wouldn't change anything we are discussing. As any player will tell you, sometimes you play really well, and you can't buy a goal. Sometimes, you play not so great, and you get all the bounces. It's not like players go through an endless cycle of attaining some inner wisdom, and then forgetting it. There's just a decent amount of scoring variability in small samples.

What do you think Nylander and Spezza know that countless other players on multiple teams didn't?
Who on the other team do you think most stopped Matthews and Marner from producing more?

18 consecutive playoff games without a goal, three different series. 72 consecutive powerplays without a goal. Damn Marner is just so incredibly unlucky! All that bad luck but somehow he got lucky and got a 10.893 million contract. Luck is so strange but one thing is for certain it is so very easy to identify. The other day I hit a car... and saw all the visible signals unlerting me that it wasn't my fault... it was just totally bad luck. In fact the bad luck spirit straight up said to me, no matter what you did differently, there wouldn't have been a different outcome! A day later I stepped in a puddle.... nope no blinking light alerting me of bad luck, no bad luck spirit, nothing! Guess it just totally was my fault for not looking.

 

[Dreakmur]

What do you think Nylander and Spezza know that countless other players on multiple teams didn't?
Who on the other team do you think most stopped Matthews and Marner from producing more?

I can't believe some people won't post their own opinions. It's so annoying!

 

[NinjaKick]

sometimes in hockey you gotta make your own luck

 

[Dekes For Days]

Spezza and Willy worked harder

Except there's no evidence that the production was a result of "working harder" than the countless players they scored more than.

 

[Racer88]

Except there's no evidence that the production was a result of "working harder" than the countless players they scored more than.

I don’t know but all my life when I worked either harder or smarter I made more money, won more races and generally succeed more.

 

[Racer88]

sometimes in hockey you gotta make your own luck

Bingo and generally that goes for all of life !

 

[Racer88]

Exactly , sorry guys someone got butt hurt and I don't have a like button

Ya for some reason I don’t have a like button either, not sure what’s up with that

 

[Gabriel426]

Except there's no evidence that the production was a result of "working harder" than the countless players they scored more than.

When someone is getting the results while other more talented players are not, it means they are out working more talented players.
Like the old saying, you need to out work your opponents, but you never hear someone say, you need to out talent your opponents.
MJ told his NC coach-he will be the hardest working player he ever seen after the coach told him ‘you need to work harder than anyone if you want to be the best.’

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I guess it is the same old questions, Chicken or the egg, which comes first. In this case, did Price beat the Leafs while the Habs actually gave up more goals in the Series than the Leafs or did AM and Marner just choked in the series with ONE goal combined, which is ONE less goal scored than Muzzin who only played 6 games.

With the way the series went, it really had to be a lot of things going wrong.

Price going hot in Games 5-7.
+
Campbell going cold in Games 5-7.
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Matthews being left on an island by Hyman and Marner pretty much the entire series.
+
Tavares' injury.
+
Muzzin/Foligno getting hurt.
+
Thornton and Sandin being borderline unplayable and making huge errors.
+
Galchenyuk and Dermott giving up really bad turnovers that led to backbreaking goals.

I think if one of these things does not happen, we win that series. Depending on the one that doesn't happen, we probably win in 5 games.

 

[IPS]

With the way the series went, it really had to be a lot of things going wrong.

Price going hot in Games 5-7.
+
Campbell going cold in Games 5-7.
+
Matthews being left on an island by Hyman and Marner pretty much the entire series.
+
Tavares' injury.
+
Muzzin/Foligno getting hurt.
+
Thornton and Sandin being borderline unplayable and making huge errors.
+
Galchenyuk and Dermott giving up really bad turnovers that led to backbreaking goals.

I think if one of these things does not happen, we win that series. Depending on the one that doesn't happen, we probably win in 5 games.

There's a laundry list of reason for why every team loses every playoff series.

It's pointless going through what was self-inflicted and what was bad luck. The team came out with the lousiest effort ever to start games 5-7 and you don't deserve to win shit starting like that IMO. I legitimately believe that this team's terrible habits did come back to bite them in the end.

 

[diceman934]

So little hockey knowledge on display in this thread. .

we lost because we got out coached. No other reason.

 

[egd27]

I can't believe some people won't post their own opinions. It's so annoying!

There are a few posters that are simply playing the role of contrarian rather than take an interest in differing viewpoints.

 

[Gabriel426]

With the way the series went, it really had to be a lot of things going wrong.

Price going hot in Games 5-7.
+
Campbell going cold in Games 5-7.
+
Matthews being left on an island by Hyman and Marner pretty much the entire series.
+
Tavares' injury.
+
Muzzin/Foligno getting hurt.
+
Thornton and Sandin being borderline unplayable and making huge errors.
+
Galchenyuk and Dermott giving up really bad turnovers that led to backbreaking goals.

I think if one of these things does not happen, we win that series. Depending on the one that doesn't happen, we probably win in 5 games.

But that can be applied to any losing teams in the playoffs in any sports.

The opposing team player was awesome-Price.
Our own player didn’t play well-Campbell.
Our superstar didn’t perform-Matthews-Marner.
Injuries to key players while the other team was healthy…..

Maybe the Habs made our players looks bad. Or maybe our players just not as good as they think.
For 5 elimination games in a row the Leafs just didn’t show up with one shut out while two more of those 5 games could have been shut outs too.

That’s not a good look on any teams.

 

[Gabriel426]

So little hockey knowledge on display in this thread. .

we lost because we got out coached. No other reason.

That’s one reason but not the only one.

 

[diceman934]

That’s one reason but not the only one.

It is the only one.

 

[ToneDog]

So little hockey knowledge on display in this thread. .

we lost because we got out coached. No other reason.

So out coached by the savy vet Torts last year and by a rookie interim coach this year. Great.

 

[Tairy Greene]

Hopefully some success at the Olympics helps get the pressure off him a little.

 

[Stonehands1990]

How are these marner stans still making excuses for this loser?

I’d assume most of them have never played a competitive hockey game in their life, and are in love with the advanced stats fad. I don’t care what the expected goals are, a shot without traffic is you giving the puck back to the other team