Racer88
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Interesting that Spezza and Willy were able to beat Price the superstar
They combined for 8 goals.
Marner and Matthews combined for 1 goal.
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They combined for 8 goals.
Marner and Matthews combined for 1 goal.
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Racer88
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The point is he got them thru…….Price wasn’t that great and certainly not great enough to stop last years top goal scorer
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I guess it is the same old questions, Chicken or the egg, which comes first. In this case, did Price beat the Leafs while the Habs actually gave up more goals in the Series than the Leafs or did AM and Marner just choked in the series with ONE goal combined, which is ONE less goal scored than Muzzin who only played 6 games.
maybe for the playoffs they change things up (like when you need a spark or trying to create a mismatch) but for the most part all teams play there best players in the top 6. Teams MAY give more icetime to lower lines but that is because they have depth.
you can go try and find examples, even with those coaches you highlighted. washington played the same 5 guys in the top 6 all season, barzal played almost always with eberle. etc etc etc.
these lightning in a bottle HBK lines are not indicative of what actually happens.
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It sure is relevant when you state that the only thing that stopped our stars was Price. If price was so good why could the other guys score on him. Did he play harder against Marner and Matthews?
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I think it's just the fact that the positives are buried under an avalanche of negatives. The fact that this team never wins even one playoff round, and hasn't even shown up to compete in deciding games for the last 4 years in a row is frankly, an embarrassment. If there was any accountability in this multi billion dollar business organization then some changes would be made but apparently, that kind of accountability doesn't exist here. But sure, don't pay any attention to those negative nancies who focus on reality, there are some positive things too.
OK, thanks Nancy.
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If looking at reality in an objective manner bothers you, I suggest you ignore my posts because the reality isn't pleasant.
Nylander and Spezza scoring a few goals doesn't change the fact that it was primarily Price that stopped our stars from producing more, despite dominating their matchup. Would you like us to name all of the players that struggled to score on Price?
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Name all the 11 million dollar players that failed to score. Lol
A 7 million dollar player dominated price and scored 5. A 1 million dollar player
scored 3 on Price, 11 million dollar Marner scored none and 11 million dollar matthews scored 1.
If price could shutdown two players making that money why couldn’t he shut down two much lesser players
What they're paid is irrelevant. A goalie being hot doesn't mean that absolutely nobody scores ever. Price is the primary reason Matthews/Marner didn't score more. They dominated their matchup.
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I suppose just Tavares, but he was injured in the first game. I suppose you can round up Marner to 11 million- he didn't score a goal, but scored 4 points all assists obviously/
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So when our top scorers are consistently getting shut down in the playoffs we should keep running the exact same combinations and not try to find more scoring options?
that’s worked great the last 2 years. Maybe we’ll win the expected goals cup. Expected goals =expected wins =
expected cups = PROFIT
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Pretty easy for Price to stop everything when there’s no screens or tips. I’m sure you have a stat that measures that
There were plenty of chances involving screens, tips, rebounds, and cross-seam movement, and no, it's still not "easy" to stop point blank, in close chances regardless, especially from the best goal-scorer in the world.
Why are some here kept making excuses for them when they failed.
If this core wants to win the Cup, they need to be a lot better in the playoffs when it counts. That goes for everyone including Willie who was dominant, but he still needs to do more bc his team didn’t advance despite his great efforts. These players need to understand that just playing great doesn’t mean anything in the playoffs, as they need to be better than the opposing team on the scoreboard.
If this core wants to win the Cup, they need to be a lot better in the playoffs when it counts. That goes for everyone including Willie who was dominant, but he still needs to do more bc his team didn’t advance despite his great efforts. These players need to understand that just playing great doesn’t mean anything in the playoffs, as they need to be better than the opposing team on the scoreboard.
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That doesn’t change the fact that Nylander scored 5 times and Spezza scored 3. If they could beat the awesome Carey Price why couldn’t Marner and Matthews if they dominated like you think?
It’s a simple question.
What does Nylander and Spezza know that the other 2 don’t ?
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What they are paid is totally relevant. You have claimed that they got their big contracts because of great production prior to RFA status and that they were worth that contract.
If their production demands a high contract then a high contract demands great production
Spending that much of the cap on those players takes away from the quality of the rest of the players so when they don’t produce relative to their cap hit the team suffers.
again like i mentioned thats the playoffs...... yes things change for the playoffs .. are we talking about the regular season that is still 2 months away ? or the playoffs which is 10 months away ? not even knowing who will be in the lineup (trades and injuries).
cmn man we are talking about opening day ffs
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I would say because the conversation needs balance. Breaking his entire character down and game down with one side of the evaluation isn’t the way it works.
Matthews and Marner on the same line was fun to see. Now they have to be on different lines. It wasn’t good for either of them as the season rolled on. It became way to stagnant and predictable. Marner looking for the pass and Matthews waiting for the pass and little flow.
Tavares and Marner are a much more unpredictable combination because Tavares causes havoc down low with his style of game and Marner’s best game is in the box between the face of dots to the top of the circle.
Keefe needs to break them up from being a set line. Matthews became a stand around slipping in to soft ice to receive the pass. That guy shouldn’t be playing the soft game at his size and with them hands. That’s why he disappears in the playoffs, there is no soft ice. It disappears in the playoffs.
Anyways likely we will see them paired up again playing the predictable low flow play.
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