It doesn't work like that there would be too much double shifting on every PP and at the end of every period. Then your also making Marner play with trash it would be a waste.
Mitch Marner Discussion Continued
- Thread starter Stephen
- Start date
- Status
It doesn't work like that there would be too much double shifting on every PP and at the end of every period. Then your also making Marner play with trash it would be a waste.
Stonehands1990
Registered User
- Apr 2, 2021
- 1,381
- 1,454
Hagelin-Bonino-Kessel
The year Kessel led the Pens in playoff scoring. That’s all I have to say. Look it up
Also look up Florida, Islanders and Capitals line combos. Quennville, Trotz and Laviolette
It works you’re just closed minded
William Hylander
There can be only 1
- Aug 17, 2009
- 2,618
- 353
Our team lacks depth. Here we have our highest paid winger and arguably on the least valuable contract on the team.
If we trade him, we get to fix these depth problems, we don't need this much money tied up in a winger who has proven he isn't a player that drives his own line.
You move him for depth so that after a long season, your leftover stars have enough in the tank. A team as shallow as ours will have trouble in the playoffs simply due to the fact they get injured/have stamina issues etc.
Its quite obvious looking at the lineups of Stanley cup winners. Who has had a more top heavy lineup than us? Definitely not Tampa or St. Louis.
Dubas is not the guy for this team, until he realizes that his expensive toys can be moved for other lineup pieces. I doubt he will ever change his opinion though.
If we trade him, we get to fix these depth problems, we don't need this much money tied up in a winger who has proven he isn't a player that drives his own line.
You move him for depth so that after a long season, your leftover stars have enough in the tank. A team as shallow as ours will have trouble in the playoffs simply due to the fact they get injured/have stamina issues etc.
Its quite obvious looking at the lineups of Stanley cup winners. Who has had a more top heavy lineup than us? Definitely not Tampa or St. Louis.
Dubas is not the guy for this team, until he realizes that his expensive toys can be moved for other lineup pieces. I doubt he will ever change his opinion though.
What are you even talking about? None of these coaches stick elite players onto 3rd lines.
Wafflewhipper
Registered User
- Jan 18, 2014
- 14,114
- 5,694
Haha lol. Everyone is so harsh. Yours truly included
edit: my initial post was supposed to say “yours truly included ” and not “your truly included”
Last edited:
Racer88
Registered User
- Sep 29, 2020
- 13,220
- 13,387
What I find different this year any I included myself as well is that the anger and disappointment doesn’t seem to be waning.Haha lol. Everyone is so harsh. Your truly included
MLSE can only go to the well so many times with this entire group and I like many others think this year is make or break it for Shanny, Dubas and especially Keefe
Wafflewhipper
Registered User
- Jan 18, 2014
- 14,114
- 5,694
Oh man I’ve calmed down. I was a menace to the board and just acting angry and putrid even when i said to myself that I wouldn’t ha.
The straw that broke the camels back was already loaded on in the playoff loss. I though they all should have been fired. Shanny talked the board in to keeping Dubas likely. People like to compare Dubas to Lou Lam. Dubas doesn’t deserve to be mentioned in the same breath. Lou Lam has more playoff games last two years with the islanders than we have in over a decade. Shame to blame Lou Lam to attempt to cover the tracks of Dubas.
That said, i hope Dubas brightens up and pulls this team together this season. I don’t really like the team this time even with a couple good additions. The bottom 6 is worrisome and not very built for the trenches again.
Oh well nothing i can do about management or players except hope they do better. Everyone is P!ssed, that loss to Montreal was gross. It’s hard to have respect for a single player after watching that garbage. Fans should be mad.
I’m just calmed down last week or two but i have a shakey finger on a hair trigger lol
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
It's three months since the game #7 no-show. If you think it is bad now, better hope they win a round next year or the only thing that will appease the fans is seeing heads roll.
Racer88
Registered User
- Sep 29, 2020
- 13,220
- 13,387
Hahahahaha. I thought I was over my dissatisfaction early…….and then I watched Marners post season presser and I lost it
. Once the season starts I will once again give then the benefit of the doubt but like you I have that hair trigger
Racer88
Registered User
- Sep 29, 2020
- 13,220
- 13,387
Yup. No question head will have to roll if they crap the bed this year.
Can you imagine if they get off to a shaky start……..it will be biblical
Stonehands1990
Registered User
- Apr 2, 2021
- 1,381
- 1,454
All 3 spread out the talent. Last year Oshie was on the 3rd line. Huberdeau and Barkov play on separate lines. Same with OV and Backstrom
It’s a fairly simple concept but we all know you’re just looking for an argument when you come here
nsleaf
Registered User
- Oct 21, 2009
- 4,122
- 1,538
So true, but it is the same crew of negative nancie posters who hide under bridges and pounce on anything positive.
Racer88
Registered User
- Sep 29, 2020
- 13,220
- 13,387
Leaf Fans
Registered User
- Sep 29, 2017
- 21,605
- 9,567
It doesn't make sense, but there are a lot of posters who do in fact pounce on anything positive.
Gary Nylund
Registered User
- Oct 10, 2013
- 31,707
- 25,553
I think it's just the fact that the positives are buried under an avalanche of negatives. The fact that this team never wins even one playoff round, and hasn't even shown up to compete in deciding games for the last 4 years in a row is frankly, an embarrassment. If there was any accountability in this multi billion dollar business organization then some changes would be made but apparently, that kind of accountability doesn't exist here. But sure, don't pay any attention to those negative nancies who focus on reality, there are some positive things too.
None of them used elite talent on the 3rd line, which is what you're suggesting here. We already split our elite talent between two lines.
Also, Oshie is not elite, and his two most common linemates last season were Backstrom and Ovechkin. Backstrom/Ovechkin and Barkov/Huberdeau have spent the majority of their careers together, and while they played together less (but still a decent amount) last year, they were still all playing in the top-6.
Stonehands1990
Registered User
- Apr 2, 2021
- 1,381
- 1,454
Stonehands1990
Registered User
- Apr 2, 2021
- 1,381
- 1,454
So I guess we're just going to pivot to the next thing. Yes, this is the one time it was done, but I'm not sure an article outlining how ineffective the HBK line became after that playoffs is really making the argument you want. Also important to note that the main reason that was done at all was because Kessel didn't work well with their other superstars, which is not the case here.
Stonehands1990
Registered User
- Apr 2, 2021
- 1,381
- 1,454
The line faltered the following season but the reason I shared it was that I was hoping you’d see how much offence it generated in the playoffs and notice that our stars were easy shutdown targets in the playoffs
I guess my expectations were too great
We can run three lines or two it doesn't matter. The biggest problem is Marner can't be on the top line. He can't be with Matthews. When teams zero in and focus on him (i.e. the playoffs) he can't get it done against the other teams best. You have to get him away from that. Either run Matthews - Nylander and JT - Marner, or run any other combo you like. You just cannot keep running Matthews - Marner playing them 20 minutes a night and continuing to lose playoff series. If I see them together one more time in the playoffs Keefe should be let go mid game.
Wafflewhipper
Registered User
- Jan 18, 2014
- 14,114
- 5,694
Marner scores from the top of the circles inside the dots as well as anyone. He’s dangerous in that box. His shot accuracy and zip at that range is far from weak. Another 10 or 15 pounds on him and build as much more strength every year as he can in his core will allow him to be tougher in that area. I’m sure he will be a 40 goal scorer and 99% of them will be in that box very shortly.
That said, Tavares is the center better in the low area. Tavares centering Marner and big Ritchie could control that box if Keefe goes there. Not so sure he wants anything to do with breaking up Matthews Marner any time soon so.... i will likely never see it.
Marner’s shot is really great inside the two dots to top of the circles. When he learns to jam that area harder he will be a demon. Quickness strength and jam is in his game, he just needs to focus it better there. He’s not beating anyone’s goalie from a distance hut his accuracy is pinpoint. So in fact he has a excellent shot in his area.
He has to work always on improving his inside and close game. Then he will score regularly on pp,playoffs or whatever situation. Simple really for him, if they hold him to the outside keep moving and look for the pass, if they give him the ice inside he jumps on it for the shot.
Nit sure he’s quick enough just yet with a bit of power lack in his first 3 strides. Still a kid but at 5 years in. This guy should not be killing penalties. Save his juice for offense.
That said, Tavares is the center better in the low area. Tavares centering Marner and big Ritchie could control that box if Keefe goes there. Not so sure he wants anything to do with breaking up Matthews Marner any time soon so.... i will likely never see it.
Marner’s shot is really great inside the two dots to top of the circles. When he learns to jam that area harder he will be a demon. Quickness strength and jam is in his game, he just needs to focus it better there. He’s not beating anyone’s goalie from a distance hut his accuracy is pinpoint. So in fact he has a excellent shot in his area.
He has to work always on improving his inside and close game. Then he will score regularly on pp,playoffs or whatever situation. Simple really for him, if they hold him to the outside keep moving and look for the pass, if they give him the ice inside he jumps on it for the shot.
Nit sure he’s quick enough just yet with a bit of power lack in his first 3 strides. Still a kid but at 5 years in. This guy should not be killing penalties. Save his juice for offense.
Last edited:
So basically what I said - maybe for specific situations, but not as a regular thing. For the record, Kessel spent the majority of the next playoffs with Malkin, and they won another cup.
The only thing that shut down our stars was Price. And I guess Perry's knee.
I think the problem with Marner is he often overthink what he needs to do, exp when he is struggling. Also, he mindset is pass the puck instead of shoot at net even if he is in better scoring position than the person he is passing to. Thats something he just need to change or adapt.
Keefe will never split up Marner and AM, thats the GOLDEN RULE for the Leafs. What I like to see is Keefe lets other lines play more minutes if Marner and AM struggles or just mailed it in. There were times last season, where it seemed like AM and Marner were just mailing it in after AM scoring a goal or two.
I still don't understand why Keefe didn't play Willie/AF/Gally more in the playoffs when they were just flying.
Keefe will never split up Marner and AM, thats the GOLDEN RULE for the Leafs. What I like to see is Keefe lets other lines play more minutes if Marner and AM struggles or just mailed it in. There were times last season, where it seemed like AM and Marner were just mailing it in after AM scoring a goal or two.
I still don't understand why Keefe didn't play Willie/AF/Gally more in the playoffs when they were just flying.
- Status
Ad
Upcoming events
-
-
Props Alex Ovechkin to Record 895th Career Goal During 2024/25 Regular SeasonWagers: 11Staked: $20,983.00Event closes - 6 days from now- Updated: