Salary Cap: Mitch Marner Contract Discussion Part VIII | We Waitin'

[18leafsfan18]

I still believe this is all posturing. I also think the offer sheet is just a tactic and Dubas would be well advised to let it play out because there isn’t one coming. Eliminate that leverage. And, in the unlikely event a team goes beyond 10.5, then you consider the 4 picks and the abundant cap space, which we’ve already acknowledged is worth a lot. Sit tight Kyle, don’t fold this time, the offer sheet is remote and even so it’s really Marner’s camp “risking” you let him go. Bottom line, his agent knows how much endorsement money he loses not being here, not to mention having to walk around the area a despised man. Ain’t happening.

I think if Marner does the "Tour" the fans will turn on him, even if he eventually signs in Toronto.

His camp should be smart enough to know this.

If he does that and doesn't perform better then his cap hit he will always be a scapegoat/whipping boy for the fanbase.

Edit: The guy has the chance to be one of the most loved Leafs of all time and he might let his Dad and Agent ruin that for him (This all is based on reports being true)

 

[Macallan18]

hmmm if it's Anaheim, LA or (gasp) Ottawa that offer sheets for 11 + mil....have to seriously consider letting Marner walk.


These are the only teams that suck enough to end up in the bottom 5 even with Marner added.

Any other team gets shot straight into the playoffs if they're on the bubble or go straight to contender if already a playoff team. Have to match these teams no matter what.

four first rounders from Ottawa??? Man, you know those will be prime picks....

 

[Macman]

As nervous as I am about the whole situation, the thought that Marner would actually leave Toronto is ridiculous. Especially over what is probably a relatively small contract difference. He would become a pariah in this city. He'd go from doing national TV ads for Apple and Visa to hawking local car dealerships in most U.S. markets. His agent should be fired if he's actually counselling Marner to do so. Having said that, ego often trumps common sense.

 

[MyBudJT]

I still believe this is all posturing. I also think the offer sheet is just a tactic and Dubas would be well advised to let it play out because there isn’t one coming. Eliminate that leverage. And, in the unlikely event a team goes beyond 10.5, then you consider the 4 picks and the abundant cap space, which we’ve already acknowledged is worth a lot. Sit tight Kyle, don’t fold this time, the offer sheet is remote and even so it’s really Marner’s camp “risking” you let him go. Bottom line, his agent knows how much endorsement money he loses not being here, not to mention having to walk around the area a despised man. Ain’t happening.

I agree. A lot of people rush to conclusions and make up their mind... "Marner doesn't like us... trade him" or "Dubas is letting this play out too long... fire him". Thank God that we have management that are a patient bunch.

Honestly, its June 25th. Marner's camp is well within their right to explore what other teams would be willing to pay (which would ultimately be his true market value). In all likelihood, they come to a realization that they're asking for too much, and will settle on a lesser figure.

There really isn't much to be upset about at this point in time.

 

[4thline]

I still believe this is all posturing. I also think the offer sheet is just a tactic and Dubas would be well advised to let it play out because there isn’t one coming.

I'd be surprised if someone doesn't test the waters. I'd also be surprised if it matched the Marner camp's expectations rather than being say 8.8 x 6

 

[18leafsfan18]

I agree. A lot of people rush to conclusions and make up their mind... "Marner doesn't like us... trade him" or "Dubas is letting this play out too long... fire him". Thank God that we have management that are a patient bunch.

Honestly, its June 25th. Marner's camp is well within their right to explore what other teams would be willing to pay (which would ultimately be his true market value). In all likelihood, they come to a realization that they're asking for too much, and will settle on a lesser figure.

There really isn't much to be upset about at this point in time.

Totally agree that he is within his rights and that he likely will come back down to earth after visiting other teams.

However, the fact that they are going out to talk to other teams shows a willingness to leave Toronto for another team.

That is what won't sit well with fans.

 

[MyBudJT]

I think if Marner does the "Tour" the fans will turn on him, even if he eventually signs in Toronto.

His camp should be smart enough to know this.

If he does that and doesn't perform better then his cap hit he will always be a scapegoat/whipping boy for the fanbase.

Edit: The guy has the chance to be one of the most loved Leafs of all time and he might let his Dad and Agent ruin that for him (This all is based on reports being true)

If Marner eventually signs in Toront, Tour or not... the vast majority of our fanbase will forget about this whole "ordeal". I mean, Marner really hasn't done anything wrong, and is working within his CBA rights.

IF Marner signs with us, the only way fans will turn on him is if he doesn't live up to his contract.

 

[18leafsfan18]

If Marner eventually signs in Toront, Tour or not... the vast majority of our fanbase will forget about this whole "ordeal". I mean, Marner really hasn't done anything wrong, and is working within his CBA rights.

IF Marner signs with us, the only way fans will turn on him is if he doesn't live up to his contract.

Which is exactly what I said.

But IMO if he doesn't go through with all this talking to other teams nonsense fans would be much more forgiving if he doesn't live up to his contract.

 

[MyBudJT]

Totally agree that he is within his rights and that he likely will come back down to earth after visiting other teams.

However, the fact that they are going out to talk to other teams shows a willingness to leave Toronto for another team.

That is what won't sit well with fans.

Visiting other teams might not sit well with you, but most will "forgive and forget" if/when he signs with us... Although there is nothing really to forgive about.

We don't own Mitch Marner. He is his own man. He can go out and do what he wants.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

who are our RFAs next season? lol hope we dont have to go through this again next season! we need a break

Dermott unfortunately is one of them. Expect another long negotiation.

 

[MyBudJT]

Which is exactly what I said.

But IMO if he doesn't go through with all this talking to other teams nonsense fans would be much more forgiving if he doesn't live up to his contract.

Right, but people would turn on him for his performance, not his contract negotiation.

Tabling other offers will have no influence on how MOST Leafs fans view him if/when he signs with us.

 

[18leafsfan18]

Visiting other teams might not sit well with you, but most will "forgive and forget" if/when he signs with us... Although there is nothing really to forgive about.

We don't own Mitch Marner. He is his own man. He can go out and do what he wants.

Your opinion is most will "forgive and forget".

My opinion is most will remember and criticize.

Agree to disagree, only time will tell.

 

[ULF_55]

Visiting other teams might not sit well with you, but most will "forgive and forget" if/when he signs with us... Although there is nothing really to forgive about.

We don't own Mitch Marner. He is his own man. He can go out and do what he wants.

Exactly.

Marner is just a rental and he can sign an offersheet if he wants or the team can trade him.

He'll have a career somewhere for a few years, and the Leafs will continue to carry on like they have after every other star has left / retired.

Business as usual, and Team > player.

 

[ULF_55]

Dermott unfortunately is one of them. Expect another long negotiation.

Unless Dermott has a monster season, he's a bottom pairing defender at best 2nd. pairing, he isn't worth getting concerned about.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Unless Dermott has a monster season, he's a bottom pairing defender at best 2nd. pairing, he isn't worth getting concerned about.

If Muzzin walks Dermott would likely in the 2nd pairing.

 

[ACC1224]

I agree. A lot of people rush to conclusions and make up their mind... "Marner doesn't like us... trade him" or "Dubas is letting this play out too long... fire him". Thank God that we have management that are a patient bunch.

Honestly, its June 25th. Marner's camp is well within their right to explore what other teams would be willing to pay (which would ultimately be his true market value). In all likelihood, they come to a realization that they're asking for too much, and will settle on a lesser figure.

There really isn't much to be upset about at this point in time.

Since we know very little facts, mostly conjecture and "beliefs", it's silly to be upset about the negotiating process, IMO.
Once it's done it's fine to dislike the contract given or whether the player lives up to it.

Unless it's for another team, I think most people will forget all about it once Marner puts up 100 points.

 

[ULF_55]

If Muzzin walks Dermott would likely in the 2nd pairing.

And if Rielly retires to become a minister Dermott would likely be 1st. pairing.

We'll see what happens over the next 12 months, but nothing Dermott short of winning the Norris this year will get him a large contract.

 

[Mess]

I think we all know how this is going to play out in the end, as we witnessed it with Nylander and Matthews already.

Dubas was willing to toss away a 1st round pick just to create cap space, which is great for Marner and Ferris because they now know Leafs have the cap space to meet their demands, without using limited cap space argument against them now that Kappy and AJ are signed. Player agents understand leverage and how to best use that to their financial gain for their clients.

When the dust settles Marner will be the highest paid winger in the NHL on likely the shortest term. The question remaining will it be with the Leafs.

 

[Marshy]

Is Paul Marner this generation's Carl/Bonnie Lindros?


ESPN.com: GEN - Lindros needs to get away from his parents

As pain-in-the-ass parents go, the Lindros are first-team All-World, riding shotgun with Richard Williams into infamy. Even now, they're overbearing, intrusive and just too obsessed with controlling the son's career that just can't be controlled. As the Flyers trade of Lindros to the Rangers is completed on Monday, and the old man/agent has completed his contract negotiations with GM Glen Sather, here's a little advice for Carl and Bonnie on their son's entrance into New York: Stay in Toronto, order a satellite dish and get a life of your own.

 

[4thline]

Right, but people would turn on him for his performance, not his contract negotiation.

Tabling other offers will have no influence on how MOST Leafs fans view him if/when he signs with us.

I generally agree. Exception will be if he sees those offers, doesn't like them, but then refuses to conform and doesn't alter his demands to match market value

 

[Gary Nylund]

I think we all know how this is going to play out in the end, as we witnessed it with Nylander and Matthews already.

Dubas was willing to toss away a 1st round pick just to create cap space, which is great for Marner and Ferris because they now know Leafs have the cap space to meet their demands, without using limited cap space argument against them now that Kappy and AJ are signed. Player agents understand leverage and how to best use that to their financial gain for their clients.

When the dust settles Marner will be the highest paid winger in the NHL on likely the shortest term. The question remaining will it be with the Leafs.

LOL no. If you really think that's the way it works, give your head a shake. Make that two shakes.

 

[ACC1224]

Is Paul Marner this generation's Carl/Bonnie Lindros?


ESPN.com: GEN - Lindros needs to get away from his parents

I'm sure he's worse in some peoples minds.

 

[Bluelines]

It’s a little early to call it a debacle, but if I got this close, I would wait until July 1st. I wouldn’t sign. None of these guys have. My understanding is that a very significant offer was made; a full eight-year term and $10 million a year was what one of our guys told me — a guy on our staff who talked to the agent. My understanding is they don’t want the eight-year term. Auston Matthews has the right to walk after five years and this player is saying, “If I’ve got to take less money than Auston Matthews even though I am the leading scorer the last two years, I am certainly not taking a longer term.” The notion they’re waiting until July 1st to see if there is an offer sheet — I’d do the same thing if I was representing this player. It is already June 24th.~ Brian Burke

Brian Burke on Marner, offer sheets, Perry, Subban, and Eakins - Sportsnet.ca

 

[Hockey Talker29]

It’s a little early to call it a debacle, but if I got this close, I would wait until July 1st. I wouldn’t sign. None of these guys have. My understanding is that a very significant offer was made; a full eight-year term and $10 million a year was what one of our guys told me — a guy on our staff who talked to the agent. My understanding is they don’t want the eight-year term. Auston Matthews has the right to walk after five years and this player is saying, “If I’ve got to take less money than Auston Matthews even though I am the leading scorer the last two years, I am certainly not taking a longer term.” The notion they’re waiting until July 1st to see if there is an offer sheet — I’d do the same thing if I was representing this player. It is already June 24th.~ Brian Burke

Brian Burke on Marner, offer sheets, Perry, Subban, and Eakins - Sportsnet.ca

Marner can ask for whatever he wants, but without an offer sheet, he's not worth more than $10m x 8 years. If he wants less years, the AAV drops as well. He has no leverage if an offer sheet doesn't come. And I don't think one will.

 

[ULF_55]

Marner can ask for whatever he wants, but without an offer sheet, he's not worth more than $10m x 8 years. If he wants less years, the AAV drops as well. He has no leverage if an offer sheet doesn't come. And I don't think one will.

If you were giving up 4 1st. round picks would you offersheet anything less than 7 years knowing that it cost you those picks.

Since I'll be a Leafs fan with or without every single fricken player on the team, I really want to see an offersheet.