Salary Cap: Mitch Marner Contract Discussion Part VIII | We Waitin'

[Superstar]

Is Dreger related to Marner, or does he have an axe to grind with the Leafs?

Why would the Leafs add a sweetener to a RD with a reasonable contract that they don't have to move?

I heard Dreger on OD this evening too and it sounded like he'd completely lost it...I don't think he's capable of objective journalism anymore...anytime Jamie and Bryan tried to put on another perspective, Dreger just kept peddling and pushing his agenda...he sounds like a rabid dog and I've lost all respect for him...I still like Bob MacKenzie however - he's still reasonable and doesn't ever stir up crap for the sake of it.

 

[BallardEra]

Here's my optimistic theory. There will be no meetings or offer sheets from other teams. There will be no holding out by Mitch. They sign under $10M/per and Paul reminds us how unselfish Mitch was and how badly he's always wanted to be a Leaf.

Wishful thinking?

 

[Deebo]

You might want to re-read the conversation. Marner signing at $10.55 million is two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd. The $9.7 million is not what I said Marner would sign for, I said the Leafs currently have that much cap space.

Ok if that's the cap space you have calculated, trade Brown, then its' 11.8.

 

[Sonny21]

I think unfortunately we're entering unknown territory.

I'd feel comfortable wagering that Marner won be getting any serious offersheets, which means either he signs a contract more on the Leafs terms or he holds out. If Dubas thinks the relationship between team and player is beyond salvaging I can see a trade potentially happening.

I hope it doesnt come to that though. Still time to get him signed.

Who really knows what will unfold.

In reality I don't know, but I feel strongly that he will be signed at some point and he will get higher than $9.5, everything after that who really knows.

One thing I've maintained from start, I don't believe there will be an offer sheet. I just don't see it. It would be dumb to OS just to screw Leafs and it's crazy to fork over 4 1st in cap era.

 

[Stephen]

I think if Marner is out there grinding away and brokering an offer sheet, even if the Leafs match it’s going to be a strained relationship that eventually sees Marner traded for another young gun in a Weber for Subban type deal.

 

[Caesium]

Ok if that's the cap space you have calculated, trade Brown, then its' 11.8.

Trading Brown doesn't save $2.1 million, you still need to fill his roster spot with a player making about a million.

 

[ITM]

Here's my optimistic theory. There will be no meetings or offer sheets from other teams. There will be no holding out by Mitch. They sign under $10M/per and Paul reminds us how unselfish Mitch was and how badly he's always wanted to be a Leaf.

Wishful thinking?

Kind of a tautology?

Optimistic = Wishful
Theory = Thinking.

I'm right there with you though. Here's hoping.

 

[Stephen]

Not to mention which phantom team is going to even contemplate this?

I think we could easily put together a Venn diagram of teams with the necessary picks and cap space to make a move on Marner.

 

[nuck]

Is Dreger related to Marner, or does he have an axe to grind with the Leafs?

Why would the Leafs add a sweetener to a RD with a reasonable contract that they don't have to move?

Its general media click bait. Do you remember when these a-holes were talking about $14M for Matthews? Where the f*** did that come from? They don't appear to have a f-ing clue as to what is realistic, they just hear something and run around wetting themselves like puppies, yet we know they know better because this shit happens every year. Altho as to the sweetener thing, the Marleau trade shows there is a new normal because Carolina took on Bickell who was done, plus gave back picks for a guy who wasn't worth much more than the picks. You may have to do more for Zaits, who knows? This strikes me as a Dubas over the barrel kind of a deal rather than an amicable one. Too bad the Jackets got the Leafs first because I would be tempted to OS Aho at $10M and let team Marner ride off into the sunset to Az or wherever.

Dreger "Three teams for sure, as many as four interviewing Marner"

 

[MyBudJT]

Watch until at least 7:30 or 9:30



Good discussion on the Marner situation.

 

[The CyNick]

You may be right, I don't know for sure so I was just going with that basic premise.

Let me put it this way, if he did have such power, he would of had it with Nylander and he lost that battle with the least valuable player of Matthews/Marner.

The rest is history for me. Doesn't mean I can't be wrong, but that's my current optics of Dubas.

I believe he and the rest of management see Tavares and the three kids as vital to our long term success.

I think with both Nylander and matthews, the GM lost the deal. This gives power to agents. I don't think anyone at MLSE wants to see marner go. Especially is they are say at $10.5M x 8 and Marner camp is at $11.6 X 5. I don't see marner budging from the 5 years, but I do think there's a bit of wiggle room on the salary. I can't see MLSE or even the GM signing off on letting marner walk over such a small amount of money per year. Yes, in five years it'll be a much more expensive failure, but the cats already out of the bag with matthews. So he can't rewind history.

 

[Crysis]

Carolina just dumped Calvin De Haan and his $4.55m cap hit to Chi for prospects....$24.6m free now.
Maybe they snagged our 1st rounder because they will be sending us their next 4? Which they have available btw...
The plot thickens.

 

[The CyNick]

I fear you are right. I hope they are smarter than that.

It's a bad deal no doubt, but the matthews deal forces the hand. I would rather have marner at say $11.5M x 5 vs 4 1st round picks.

I wish we had taken the $9M X 8 deal that marner offered last summer, but we didn't. The mistake is done, can't go back in time unfortunately.

But I don't blame marner for any of this. Assist man just trying to get paid.

 

[The CyNick]

Carolina just dumped Calvin De Haan and his $4.55m cap hit to Chi for prospects....$24.6m free now.
Maybe they snagged our 1st rounder because they will be sending us their next 4? Which they have available btw...
The plot thickens.

A very real possibility.

 

[Deebo]

Trading Brown doesn't save $2.1 million, you still need to fill his roster spot with a player making about a million.

Still more than 10.55, they will be able to match any offersheet that doesn't return 4 1sts.

 

[Hockey Crazy]

Here's my optimistic theory. There will be no meetings or offer sheets from other teams. There will be no holding out by Mitch. They sign under $10M/per and Paul reminds us how unselfish Mitch was and how badly he's always wanted to be a Leaf.

Wishful thinking?

I dont thibk so. I think he signs on wednesday

 

[kb]

This is completely different than the Nylander negotiation.

If Marner was on Nylander's tier... I might be a little more upset. But Marner is a freaking superstar. You work through these aches and pains, to keep him. Its an absolute joke that people are willing to turn on him so quickly. I mean, you can make a legitimate argument that Marner deserves Matthews money.... you can't fault him for trying to get it.

Put Johnsson and Kapanen on Marner's line, and put AM on Matthews line. Then let's talk.

He's nowhere near as good and plays the least important position (winger).

 

[Sonny21]

I believe he and the rest of management see Tavares and the three kids as vital to our long term success.

I think with both Nylander and matthews, the GM lost the deal. This gives power to agents. I don't think anyone at MLSE wants to see marner go. Especially is they are say at $10.5M x 8 and Marner camp is at $11.6 X 5. I don't see marner budging from the 5 years, but I do think there's a bit of wiggle room on the salary. I can't see MLSE or even the GM signing off on letting marner walk over such a small amount of money per year. Yes, in five years it'll be a much more expensive failure, but the cats already out of the bag with matthews. So he can't rewind history.

Which was pretty much my point. The Nylander contract set the table for agents to hold strong knowing at the end Dubas will budge.

That's why I asked that question, if Dubas is to have REAL leverage, his agent/dad/Marner would have to believe Dubas has the guts to trade him. That would be REAL leverage, hence why I asked who believes it.

 

[Matthews34]

Or $9.7 million in cap space and two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd. I guess the Leafs could sign Tyler Myers with that.

The Leafs match that deal in a heartbeat

 

[MyBudJT]

Put Johnsson and Kapanen on Marner's line, and put AM on Matthews line. Then let's talk.

He's nowhere near as good and plays the least important position (winger).

Marner produced 95 point pace with Kadri and Marleau. Not sure what point you’re trying to make exactly...

 

[ShaneFalco]

It’s funny there’s a few posters who will defend each and every move Babcock does and any sort of criticism comes from “clueless fans”
There’s one or two in the Marner boat too

 

[biotk]

It's a bad deal no doubt, but the matthews deal forces the hand.

It doesn't. Just because a better player than Marner signed a contract doesn't mean that Marner must sign the same.

With the attitude of the Marner's the team will be better off without them.

 

[Gallagbi]

It’s funny there’s a few posters who will defend each and every move Babcock does and any sort of criticism comes from “clueless fans”
There’s one or two in the Marner boat too

There's always a few, for every player who will hate/love everything regardless of reasoning.

 

[The CyNick]

Which was pretty much my point. The Nylander contract set the table for agents to hold strong knowing at the end Dubas will budge.

That's why I asked that question, if Dubas is to have REAL leverage, his agent/dad/Marner would have to believe Dubas has the guts to trade him. That would be REAL leverage, hence why I asked who believes it.

I don't think anyone who sees this from all angles thinks it's wise to trade marner.

The Marleau move is proof. If you plan to trade marner for picks, you can keep your pick.

 

[Bomber0104]

Weird how it wasn't that way with other negotiations.

Clearly you're mistaking me for someone who cares about anything the Toronto sports media has to say...