Salary Cap: Mitch Marner Contract Discussion Part VII | The Saga Continues

[ToneDog]

Either Tkachuk is exactly the type of player the Leafs need.

I would have said Matthew+ but Flames already have one smurf leading them. Sens need a face of the franchise.

 

[Walshy7]

Arizona is a team to watch out for as I understand.
Mitch has a long history with Hofford as well as the Dvorak connection.

whoa! better than dreger, I bet he couldn't connect those dots

 

[The CyNick]

It's interesting, this seems to be the only place I see the some fans turning against him.
It came up in conversation on my beer league team Thursday, golf tournament I played Friday and a party I was at Saturday and the consensus seemed to be that people will be pretty upset with the team if they lose this player.

Real fans who watch hockey will be upset because they know talent. Not everyone on here fits that description though.

 

[The CyNick]

There was a lot of chatter last summer that Mitch wanted to bet on himself. If you think about it too it makes complete sense. He had 2 seasons at opposite ends of the 60s, but that doesn't tell the story of the way he ended that second season. The pace he put up in the last 33 with Kadri/Marleau and also the playoffs. He wasn't gonna get paid as if he'd now arrived, he was gonna get paid on the overall 2 year body of work. Then we sign Tavares July 1. There just never was any incentive for Marner to sign before playing this year out and doing what he believe he could do, and ultimately did.

This is imo the reality of the situation Dubas found himself in with negotiating with Marner.

But they put an offer on the table. Dubas scoffed at it. He bet against marner. Oops.

 

[Anthrax442]

Arizona is a team to watch out for as I understand.
Mitch has a long history with Hofford as well as the Dvorak connection.

Meh, its a small league, theres a always a connection

 

[Sypher04]

But they put an offer on the table. Dubas scoffed at it. He bet against marner. Oops.

There's been precisely zero evidence that such an offer actually happened. The only thing we have to suggest it did is a "report" from Kypreos who has proven time and again he's not reliable.

 

[Thissiteisgarbage]

Dubas needs to grow a pair and deal him if he even speaks to another team...

 

[ACC1224]

Arizona with their financial restrictions is 100% a team that needs to build through the draft.

That being said, they are a team that I would welcome their 4 1st round picks, considering their history.

A trade could be worked out, not necessarily an offer sheet.

 

[Longshot]

I really don't understand the approach the Marner camp is taking with this negotiation. Maybe they legitimately believe he is going to get an offer sheet, but I have a lot of doubts. The only offer sheet he signs is something that blows away any other possible offers. Something with an AAV of $12 or $13 million. And what team is going to do that?

At some point, he is going to sign a contract with the Leafs with an AAV between $9.5 million and $11 million. That is the basic reality.

Why go through all this grandstanding? Making a big spectacle out of soliciting offers from other teams just makes Marner look like a player who really isn't committed to being in Toronto.

 

[Walshy7]

But they put an offer on the table. Dubas scoffed at it. He bet against marner. Oops.

you are too funny, ignore anything that doesn't suit your agenda then keep spouting this "marner camp made an offer last year" crap. Could you be anymore transparent?

 

[The CyNick]

There's been precisely zero evidence that such an offer actually happened. The only thing we have to suggest it did is a "report" from Kypreos who has proven time and again he's not reliable.

He's considered a trusted source on this site. Are you calling the people who run this site stupid for considering him a trusted source?

 

[The CyNick]

you are too funny, ignore anything that doesn't suit your agenda then keep spouting this "marner camp made an offer last year" crap. Could you be anymore transparent?

What am I ignoring exactly?

 

[JT AM da real deal]

What I don't get is that everyone in the NHL is predicting Point to get 9-9.5 million per on a deal. Rantanen is predicted to get the same. So what makes Marner who is also a winger, any more valuable in the league? Point only had 2 less points this season then Marner playing in 6 less games, Rantanen has 8 less points playing in 11 less games. All around the same age. All in the league for the same amount of time. All broke out in one season which was last season. Only difference between the 3, Marner didn't crack 30 goals the others did. All play with superstars on their teams, so they are the only star.

Sorry makes no sense. I don't see how any team with OS him if the numbers being floated around that he wants is that much more then those 2 other players. If Im a team I OS the others first.

My brother inlaw has been around hockey in the GTA for a very long time, my nephew played with players like McDavid, Del Cole, and Mitch Marner. He knows Mr Paul Marner very well. Been around him for years. The way it is explained to me is that this idiot hockey dad caused a lot of issues for Mitch through all of his young hockey career. This is all his doing. He always thought his son was better then everyone else. Even when he played at same time as McDavid, he got into an argument with McDavid's parents because he felt Marner was better. He's a class A idiot. Thrown out of hockey rinks continuously.

If Mitch isn't going to stand up to his father and let him run his life. Then no matter how much I love the kid, he needs to go. Leafs organization does not need that type of circus.

Paul is not as bad as you portray in this post. I have known him personally for well over 10 years and paid for many a beer. My kid played on same winter team for 2 years and they played spring almost every year since 10 when Mitch wore his green laces to stand out. Your are right about Paul getting emotional and making rash decisions in the spur of the moment though but over time he always calms down and eventually he figures things out. I never saw him get thrown out of a rink. I have seen a ref ask him to settle down a few times but not thrown out. But he like many of us, including Brian, we were always were looking for our kids to go to the show. The fact is this is how (most) everyone is whose kid has some talent and has a chance. The game and practice videos he took and the coaching thereafter i think separated Paul from everyone else. No one else I knew did that. Babs even had his issues too. and the freebie deals for hockey over the years hurt a lot of feelings and created some issues on some teams. But again whether you like Paul or not Mitch is a good kid. Don't forget Bonnie as some influence too. And Mitch is a gamer. This will eventually get figured out and Mitch will be a Leaf for life. Mitch has his heart here. and Paul is only trying to get his payday for Mitch. It is really hard to understand how much it takes to get to this point unless you have lived it. I don't think anyone who has not lived in someone else's shoes should tell anyone how to live their life. There will be a deal which both sides agree on at some point. Don't forget these kids are 1 hit away from a career ending injury.

 

[ToneDog]

Arizona is a team to watch out for as I understand.
Mitch has a long history with Hofford as well as the Dvorak connection.

Enjoy the warm weather and obscurity. Perhaps Matty will join you in 5 years.

 

[Sypher04]

He's considered a trusted source on this site. Are you calling the people who run this site stupid for considering him a trusted source?

I, and a lot of people, would disagree with their assessment completely, but no I'm not in the business of calling people stupid.

 

[Anthrax442]

Trade Marner + Sign Panarin = profit.

 

[ryno23]

I really don't understand the approach the Marner camp is taking with this negotiation. Maybe they legitimately believe he is going to get an offer sheet, but I have a lot of doubts. The only offer sheet he signs is something that blows away any other possible offers. Something with an AAV of $12 or $13 million. And what team is going to do that?

At some point, he is going to sign a contract with the Leafs with an AAV between $9.5 million and $11 million. That is the basic reality.

Why go through all this grandstanding? Making a big spectacle out of soliciting offers from other teams just makes Marner look like a player who really isn't committed to being in Toronto.

No matter what happens here Toronto has won the PR battle and Marner is starting to get into that Nylander bad press territory. I do believe there will be an offer sheet there is no way the agent hasn't done his due diligence thru back door channels to talk to GM willing to make on offer. Ferris probably already knows what the offers will be and just formality of Jun 26th to allow the offers to come thru.

If I am Dubas I am already lining up potential replacements for Marner. I would be reach out to Panerin even thought all signs pointing him to be in FLA but maybe he never considered Toronto cause of the cap space but if space was there and the ability to play with Tavares could entice him to come north vs sunny FLA.

 

[ACC1224]

Enjoy the warm weather and obscurity. Perhaps Matty will join you in 5 years.

I'm sure that's something that would also be discussed.

** I don't believe any of this would happen, just something interesting I heard.

 

[realgoodleafs]

Arizona is a team to watch out for as I understand.
Mitch has a long history with Hofford as well as the Dvorak connection.

They are in no position to give up 4 first round picks lmao. Where are they coming up with all the front loaded cash too?

 

[Leaf Fans]

He was awesome

He scored like 12 short handed goals one year I believe.

 

[colchar]

It's interesting, this seems to be the only place I see the some fans turning against him.
It came up in conversation on my beer league team Thursday, golf tournament I played Friday and a party I was at Saturday and the consensus seemed to be that people will be pretty upset with the team if they lose this player.

On Leafs groups on Facebook there are a lot of people turning against him. Personally, I don't get it.

 

[Leaf Fans]

They are in no position to give up 4 first round picks lmao. Where are they coming up with all the front loaded cash too?

They just got bought( perhaps pending league approval) by a billionaire. It is possible, but I still doubt it.

 

[Dragao6]

But how many guys are "career 90+ point guys"? Not even Sid has been a career 90+ point guy.

Yes but marner wants to be paid as one.

 

[ACC1224]

Paul is not as bad as you portray in this post. I have known him personally for well over 10 years and paid for many a beer. My kid played on same winter team for 2 years and they played spring almost every year since 10 when Mitch wore his green laces to stand out. Your are right about Paul getting emotional and making rash decisions in the spur of the moment though but over time he always calms down and eventually he figures things out. I never saw him get thrown out of a rink. I have seen a ref ask him to settle down a few times but not thrown out. But he like many of us, including Brian, we were always were looking for our kids to go to the show. The fact is this is how (most) everyone is whose kid has some talent and has a chance. The game and practice videos he took and the coaching thereafter i think separated Paul from everyone else. No one else I knew did that. Babs even had his issues too. and the freebie deals for hockey over the years hurt a lot of feelings and created some issues on some teams. But again whether you like Paul or not Mitch is a good kid. Don't forget Bonnie as some influence too. And Mitch is a gamer. This will eventually get figured out and Mitch will be a Leaf for life. Mitch has his heart here. and Paul is only trying to get his payday for Mitch. It is really hard to understand how much it takes to get to this point unless you have lived it. I don't think anyone who has not lived in someone else's shoes should tell anyone how to live their life. There will be a deal which both sides agree on at some point. Don't forget these kids are 1 hit away from a career ending injury.

A dose of reality.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Also it is hard to predict what Brayden will settle for. No one knows. To me it is 11M per for 8 years and then tax adjusted for Florida taxes. So 9.5M makes some sense to me too. But his 12M ask for 8 years is too high i think. Will another team offer sheet him 12M for 8 years??????? It is hard to come by a #1 centre who is in his prime and will be good for another 8 years unless injured. I guess we will all see come July 1st. I don't think Mitch will get 12M though. He is not as good as Brayden flat out. 10.5M is where I see it. and if someone offer sheets Mitch at 10.5M the Leafs will match.