Salary Cap: Mitch Marner Contract Discussion Part VII | The Saga Continues

[Nineteen67]

So which team is he visiting first?

Philadelphia.

 

[gabeliscious]

Because he and his dad feel slighted throughout his career and need a win in the contract negotiations. I’m sure at this point the leafs have offered $10.5x5 that’s an overpay but in the realm of ok. The marners believe they are word far more than they are worth

I feel like people make a lot of assumptions on players. I know it is frustrating and annoying until a player signs but i think the business of hockey should not vilanize a player.

I follow pretty closely on here and the media and i dont think i have seen anything reported that was too bad. Wanting to tour other cities and teams to know your options isnt necessarily a bad thing.

I have a hard time seeing a team give up 4 firsts for only 5 years. If a team offersheets him i assume it would be 7 years. Depending on the amount it may help the leafs.

I still dont see a team offersheeting. It just opens you up to retaliation

 

[Thissiteisgarbage]

I think we're better off without these kinds of players. The greed will manifest itself within the framework of the team...it always does. Marner us quite literally taking money away from his teammates who would earn far less.
I'm all for fair compensation, but not for greedy, ego driven extortion.

 

[18leafsfan18]

Love how the same posters who use the end of Marner's 2nd season as enough of a sample size, also say Matthews hasn't had enough sample size to show he is an elite (Top 3) goal scorer in the league.

The stats skewing on here is crazy. Anything to prove a bias point I guess.

 

[Nineteen67]

Marner is not worth 4 first round picks. Nobody is going to OS him.

 

[ULF_55]

I'm guessing if someone comes up with an offer the Leafs won't match, the teams will discuss a trade before the offersheet is presented.

Leafs will survive.

 

[Anthrax442]

Any of the big RFAs from other teams signed yet? No? So we are okay.

 

[MyBudJT]

Love how the same posters who use the end of Marner's 2nd season as enough of a sample size, also say Matthews hasn't had enough sample size to show he is an elite (Top 3) goal scorer in the league.

The stats skewing on here is crazy. Anything to prove a bias point I guess.

This is the first I've heard anybody suggest this....

 

[TML Dynasty]

Marner is not worth 4 first round picks. Nobody is going to OS him.

Depends on where the firsts land but yeah....who is gonna give up 4 firsts to overpay Mitch. Seems unlikely.

 

[Uncus13]

Yes it is and yes you are. There is a FAR better statistical case to support my inference that JT had a large influence on Marner's breakout (which you seem to dismiss entirely) than your proposition that Marner was already destined to continue his pace from the end of the previous season (which you seem to accept as fact).

Call it skewing, call it bias, call it whatever you like but it's a thing.

And playing a majority of the time with Matthew's didnt influence nylanders production?

Marner is a golden talent, Nylander is an excellent player, but not on marners level.

Marner drives production, Nylander compliments it.

Is marner worth 10/11 million a season?
Maybe not this season or next, but in 2 seasons, his contract will be a steal, if the cap continues to rise.

Is marner more important to the leafs than Nylander? Easily.

Is marner worth more than the percentage of the cap space that nylander now occupies? Imho .... yup.

Is Marner just as important as Matthew's? I think so.

Will Marner be worth the money he is seeking now? No, but as with every other player like this, you are paying for potential and probabilities.

Is Matthew's worth the money he is presently getting? No.

But once again, it is all about possibilities and potential.

A simple way I look at it is,
Instead of playing the all the numbers on a roulette wheel, as with some players and the extenuating perameters involved, it actually comes down to a red or black situation. 50- 50 odds.

I like those odds.

Marner has produced and continues to grow.
Nylander hasnt put up those type of numbers and to a point, neither has Matthew's because of injuries and playing time allotments that Babcock has deemed permissible.

Sign marner to a contract and just dont include a NMC, which I dont think he is allowed at this time re NHL bylaws and rules.

You can always trade him or any of the young 3 to fix the problem if they dont produce.

The leafs are only a injured Anderson away from missing the playoffs anyways.

Sign marner and move on. No matter who you try to replace Marner with, it will be step backwards IMHO.

 

[ULF_55]

Marner is not worth 4 first round picks. Nobody is going to OS him.

He may not be worth it, but if a team really, really wants him, they'll overpay.

Kind of like the deals the Leafs did for Marleau and Tavares.

I'm not sure a team like Tampa would overpay, but others, example Rangers might? Rangers could still blow up if things don't work out for them. Leafs could get some lotteries out of the Rangers.

 

[18leafsfan18]

This is the first I've heard anybody suggest this....

Haven't been following this thread the entire way through then.

When Matthews contract is brought up many posters suggest he is injury prone and can't match his per game production (over his first 3 years playing 212 games).

But Marner's 33 games in year 2 suggests he was always going to be a 90 point player this year.

 

[Nineteen67]

Depends on where the firsts land but yeah....who is gonna give up 4 firsts to overpay Mitch. Seems unlikely.

They’ll land in the first round.

 

[Zack47]

Everyone in Marner's camp should think about the PR consequences of all this. This supposed trip he is going to take is a horrendous mistake. Its NOT about the money details: when you sign, you have to play here, and those chumps making 1.5 mill in the room will be looking at you...carefully. So will the fans. Teams win because everyone gives up things. Just as in Nylander's case, Mitch is being misled by his overbearing father and a me-first agent who just wants to win the negotiation. The tactics here are awful. I am really disappointed in Marner ---- as are thousands of others out there. That respect is part of your pay, Mitch.

As I have said before, signing Tavares was a mistake. Love him, love his play, but the dominoes falling as a result aren't worth it. How much money do we have left for other players of worth? Our defence has no chance of getting better. Marner SHOULD care about this, big time. This is hockey. He passes to people; it matters whether they are talented enough to put the puck in the net.

If he doesn't sign here, this is the biggest and dumbest mistake I can remember going on with the Leafs -- on both sides. Dubas is naïve, Marner is not seeing the big picture at all. Kawhi seems easy compared to this nonsense...

 

[Anthrax442]

People have to forget what players used to get 3-5 years ago. This is the new reality. The cap is at 81 mil. THe players start producing earlier and their careers end earlier. Years ago you could make Marner "eat" a 2-3 year bridge. Now the young stars want to get paid earlier, and that is okay. 6.9 when Willi signed it is not the same as it is now. In a year it will be a bargain. There will be no more "Tavares 5.5 mil team friendly deal" ever. Stop thinking like that.

 

[18leafsfan18]

Everyone in Marner's camp should think about the PR consequences of all this. This supposed trip he is going to take is a horrendous mistake. Its NOT about the money details: when you sign, you have to play here, and those chumps making 1.5 mill in the room will be looking at you...carefully. So will the fans. Teams win because everyone gives up things. Just as in Nylander's case, Mitch is being misled by his overbearing father and a me-first agent who just wants to win the negotiation. The tactics here are awful. I am really disappointed in Marner ---- as are thousands of others out there. That respect is part of your pay, Mitch.

As I have said before, signing Tavares was a mistake. Love him, love his play, but the dominoes falling as a result aren't worth it. How much money do we have left for other players of worth? Our defence has no chance of getting better. Marner SHOULD care about this, big time. This is hockey. He passes to people; it matters whether they are talented enough to put the puck in the net.

If he doesn't sign here, this is the biggest and dumbest mistake I can remember going on with the Leafs -- on both sides. Dubas is naïve, Marner is not seeing the big picture at all. Kawhi seems easy compared to this nonsense...

How could this possibly be blamed on both sides ?

If any of the reports are true the Leafs have already offered way more then enough for him.

 

[Nineteen67]

If he gets 10 or 11 million over 6 it won’t be consider an over payment by that time they become contenders, assuming they do.

There will likely be a Cup winner with $10+ million players in the next three years

 

[Nineteen67]

He may not be worth it, but if a team really, really wants him, they'll overpay.

Kind of like the deals the Leafs did for Marleau and Tavares.

I'm not sure a team like Tampa would overpay, but others, example Rangers might? Rangers could still blow up if things don't work out for them. Leafs could get some lotteries out of the Rangers.

I doubt the Rangers are giving up 4 first, but I think their days of lottery picks are coming to and end.

Philly has some good young D and a really good young goalie, if they can’t add a UFA they may look at an RFA.

 

[GardinerTheForward]

If Marner tours another city I will never buy his jersey & he will have made my mind up for me and I will be getting a 34

 

[MyBudJT]

I guess i'm in the minority. If I had a competitive team and the cap space, I'd easily trade four 1sts for Marner. Easily.

 

[Anthrax442]

 

[Alerion]

I guess i'm in the minority. If I had a competitive team and the cap space, I'd easily trade four 1sts for Marner. Easily.

How many competitive teams have the picks and cap space necessary to sign that offer sheet though? That's the limiting factor here, obviously everyone would love Marner but among playoff teams there's not many that can do it.

 

[bentharbs]

Sid has an 82 game avg of 105 points per season I think you can call Sid a "career 100 point guy"

I personally prefer real stats, including games missed. By this logic, Auston Matthews is an "80 point guy" despite never getting more than 73 points in any of his 3 seasons.

Sid hasn't reached 90 points in 4 of the past 5 seasons despite missing relatively no time.

 

[ToneDog]

I guess i'm in the minority. If I had a competitive team and the cap space, I'd easily trade four 1sts for Marner. Easily.

Out of curiosity, which teams fit the bill now ?? Dallas, Montreal, Tampa, Boston, Calgary, Nashville ?? Personally if I am in the situation you mention, I sign Duchene or Panarin for "free".

 

[Nooodles]

This guy is a pathetic f***ing joke.