Salary Cap: Mitch Marner Contract Discussion Part VI | Marner Reportedly Turns Down 8 Year Term

[JT AM da real deal]

Tamoa also has amazing weather during the winter, guys can golf and fish all year round, it's also a low media pressure environment while still having an owner willing to pay to win AND they have a great team.

Tampa is probably one of the most desirable places in the entire NHL to play once you also factor in lack of state taxes. The idea that Yzerman is a master negotiator who forced Stamkos to take less is nonsense.

Agreed. And a $2M per savings on tax compared to Toronto sure helps too.

 

[Suntouchable13]

If I’m Marner agent

5 years 50-60 M

At 27 go for another 5 years at 16 M?

By age 32 have made $130-140 M

Leafs don't care what the agent wants. It's a horrible deal to have Marner for 5 years at 10+ mil. Leafs can say, "you can keep sitting and get $0".

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Depressing that Kucherov signed 9.5 x 8 not even a year ago after a 100 point season and here we are.

Depressing that Leafs don't get as much PP time as Tampa, sure. But for purposes of contract discussion the point is moot.

 

[Mess]

None of the big RFAs have signed yet.

They all want Marner to break the bank first, raise the market and then use that to their own advantage as future leverage.

 

[BM14]

They all want Marner to break the bank first, raise the market and then use that to their own advantage as future leverage.

Tampa is praying they sign Point before anyone else signs.

 

[Gary Nylund]

They all want Marner to break the bank first, raise the market and then use that to their own advantage as future leverage.

Do you have a source for this Mess or are you just making it up as you go along?

 

[Cor]

 

[Suntouchable13]

Suddenly players are not interested in max term. Players used to sign for 15 and 12 years, remember those times? Now they want short term? It's wild.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Start shopping him tonight. If he is pushing for a 5 year term we might as well just rip the band aid off because there is literally no scenario where we can sign him to a 5 year deal.

 

[CelticDruid]

Just trade him already.

 

[Cor]

Suddenly players are not interested in max term. Players used to sign for 15 and 12 years, remember those times? Now they want short term? It's wild.

NHL players are looking at NBA players, who cash in on new deals every 2-5 seasons, and are looking to do the same.

 

[The CyNick]

Suddenly players are not interested in max term. Players used to sign for 15 and 12 years, remember those times? Now they want short term? It's wild.

You leave money on the table if toy take a long deal. There will be tons more money in the system over the next three years. Why lock in at a percentage today that will go down year after year when you can get back to the top rate in five years? The only risk is injury, but several young elite players feel that's worth it.

 

[Nineteen67]

Suddenly players are not interested in max term. Players used to sign for 15 and 12 years, remember those times? Now they want short term? It's wild.

It’s because there could be a new CBA. I can’t imagine why anyone would give up any FA yrs when their contracts set them up for life anyway.

 

[The CyNick]

Just trade him already.

We should have let Dubas go when he was being greedy.

 

[DKH]

Leafs don't care what the agent wants. It's a horrible deal to have Marner for 5 years at 10+ mil. Leafs can say, "you can keep sitting and get $0".

I’m with you

 

[Duke Silver]

Nylander is not better than Pastrnak

Marner is not better than Kucherov

Matthew's is not better than McDavid.

That's the basis of those numbers

The cap goes up each year. If that didn't matter, no one would have been making more than $8.7M all these years.

Nylander has a lower cap hit % than Pastrnak. In other words, Pastrnak's deal was $7.07M adjusted for last year's $79.5M cap, the first year of Nylander's deal at $6.96M/year (first year pro-rated).

Matthews deserves a full $2.5M less annually than McDavid, even factoring in the large cap increase between when McDavid signed and Matthews signed? That's nuts. Matthews' first year of his new deal will come in at around 14% cap hit, which puts him beneath deals signed by Kane, Toews, Malkin, Crosby, Karlsson and right around where Kopitar and Price signed.

None of your numbers introduced term into the equation, either.

This isn't about how you feel they should be paid. Market valuation doesn't take into account what you want them to be paid.

 

[Contenderorpretender]

Let's say marner is goes to New Jersey in a trade or offer sheet. Would you prefer the 1oa pick from new Jersey or the next four 1rnd pucks from New Jersey?

 

[Heisen]

Can't believe our team's ability to frontload everything hasn't gotten this done yet either. Many teams won't / can't do this, and a player can earn more thanks to interest with frontloaded money.

Signing a deal like JT, Marner will have earned over $45 million of an $88 million (11x8) contract on July 1, 2021, just two years and 11 days from now. He would have less than half that on a straight deal.

 

[Antropovsky]

Let's say marner is gone. Would you prefer the 1oa pick from new Jersey or the next four 1rnd pucks from New Jersey?

1st overall.

Too bad another Center doesn’t really help our situation.

 

[The Promised Land]

Let's say marner is gone. Would you prefer the 1oa pick from new Jersey or the next four 1rnd pucks from New Jersey?

I'll play. In this hypothetical I'll take the more "known" quantity of Jack Hughes versus the uncertainty of where NJ may finish and what those picks end up being. Some may want to use four 1st rounders as trading chips but for me it's highly doubtful they get a talent of the (likely) calibre of a Jack Hughes.

 

[Contenderorpretender]

1st overall.

Too bad another Center doesn’t really help our situation.

Part of me Hope's he gets offer sheeted from a bad team. Get 4 first from them. Then we go offer sheet tkachuk from calgary

 

[AllDay28]

1st overall.

Too bad another Center doesn’t really help our situation.

can never have too many centers. they can become wingers

 

[Randy Randerson]

Just trade him already.

no rush, an over-exuberant offer sheet might be a godsend

I'm tired of hearing about it too, disappointed in Marner's approach and I doubt I'll ever have a warm-and-fuzzy feeling about him on the team if he ends up staying. His reported asks are much more ridiculous than either Matthews or Nylander

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

Leafs don't care what the agent wants. It's a horrible deal to have Marner for 5 years at 10+ mil. Leafs can say, "you can keep sitting and get $0".

Unfortunately until December 1st, then they cave again and give him everything he originally asked for including medium term

 

[Mr Hockey]

We should have let Dubas go when he was being greedy.

He was a genius when he signed Tavares (we both know he was coming here anyway) but he cant convince Matthews and Marner to sign a decent long term contract, where is the vision he supposedly has of the Leafs future, etc ... Shanny ...