Salary Cap: Mitch Marner Contract Discussion Part VI | Marner Reportedly Turns Down 8 Year Term

[Mr Hockey]

It's not easy to pay a winger 11m as the teams third best forward and 4th most important player either.

He led the team in ATOI during the regular season/playoffs

 

[ORRFForever]

Didn't seem like the Leafs were missing Nylander much.

They thought "With Nylander we can make a run for the Cup". Didn't they approach him to make a deal? They also overpaid Nylander so...

 

[A1LeafNation]

Marner's Next Contract
That was before Dubas ramped up his internal comparables.
Posted August 1st.

Pretty sure Marner said he wanted to sign after the other two.

 

[A1LeafNation]

He led the team in ATOI during the regular season/playoffs

Cool, the same coach didn't play our biggest game breaker in the last period of our season.

He also played Marleau and Brown a shit ton too.

 

[ORRFForever]

I don't think marner was ever signing before Mathews.

His team is too full of envy and want payback for the perceived slight.

That's fair.

But I've been slighted by companies I've worked for and it hardens you. It makes you want your pound of flesh. Having said that, $88M buys a lot of flesh.

 

[Gallagbi]

They thought "With Nylander we can make a run for the Cup". Didn't they approach him to make a deal? They also overpaid Nylander so...

Thought he signed the deal they had been presenting all along or very similar, so that'd strike out the last two. I expect they felt Nylander would make them stronger, he didn't really and they were in good shape when he signed.Hopefully he does improve the team going forward

 

[ORRFForever]

Thought he signed the deal they had been presenting all along or very similar, so that'd strike out the last two. I expect they felt Nylander would make them stronger, he didn't really and they were in good shape when he signed.Hopefully he does improve the team going forward

You may be right.

 

[Mr Hockey]

Cool, the same coach didn't play our biggest game breaker in the last period of our season.

He also played Marleau and Brown a **** ton too.

how come those same game breakers didn't end it in game 6 and were run over in game 7 ... but you think if they got an extra shift or 2 in the 3rd, the leafs would have won ... Marleau and brown played their regular shifts an did ok

 

[Notsince67]

Pretty sure Marner said he wanted to sign after the other two.

Pretty sure the news came out later that Marner asked for 9 x 8 and Dubas countered with 7.5 x 8

 

[Babcocks Marner]

his first full season that he met the NHL's criteria for being a rookie is the one I'm referencing, 25 games is the threshold.

the point totals in their best ELC year omits the (massive) filter of luck, which was fine for Pasta and very bad to Nylander. If luck wasn't a thing, a player like McDavid would have a shooting % and OIsh% near 100% because better talent could just will you to success on every attempt.

Anyway, I agree that at this point there's no comparison between the two, but it's the ELC work that was under considerations for their last signings. Pasta is outperforming his contract by a huge margin, but I think Nylander will suprise us in a very good way as well - he has had a very unlucky career so far and is a dominant possession player

22 games = ELC year.............. I consider that a rookie. I get your point though, not arguing a full season, which pasta never had till year 3... just saying.

Even in total ELC, Nylander edges him by 0.01% PPG if I remember correctly. Which has always been my argument for Nylander, than I am countered with the ages, so I use the 20yo seasons... the 70 Vs. 61, and Nylander has a valid argument. His final year Nylander lacked PPP, which at a normal rate puts him into the 70s point range.... So I get the argument, even on both sides.

The bold.... 100%

 

[Mr Hockey]

Pretty sure the news came out later that Marner asked for 9 x 8 and Dubas countered with 7.5 x 8

I'm all for a Marner overpayment now, but the 7.5 offer was a pretty fair offer for last summer

 

[Randy Randerson]

22 games = ELC year.............. I consider that a rookie. I get your point though, not arguing a full season, which pasta never had till year 3... just saying.

Even in total ELC, Nylander edges him by 0.01% PPG if I remember correctly. Which has always been my argument for Nylander, than I am countered with the ages, so I use the 20yo seasons... the 70 Vs. 61, and Nylander has a valid argument. His final year Nylander lacked PPP, which at a normal rate puts him into the 70s point range.... So I get the argument, even on both sides.

The bold.... 100%

I think we have a tendency to look at what Pastrnak has done since he re-signed and project that backwards as the standard where really he's just way better than he's being paid to be.

I'm optimistic on Nylander though, I think 70+pt seasons will be pretty normal for him and he can be a center if we need that. With the Kevin Hayes contracts being doled out, he won't look overpaid for long

 

[Babcocks Marner]

I think we have a tendency to look at what Pastrnak has done since he re-signed and project that backwards as the standard where really he's just way better than he's being paid to be.

I'm optimistic on Nylander though, I think 70+pt seasons will be pretty normal for him and he can be a center if we need that. With the Kevin Hayes contracts being doled out, he won't look overpaid for long

Hindsight is always perfect. People seem to forget that.

 

[Stephen]

If Marner is saying no on an $11 million/8 year deal, I think you just terminate negotiations, spend the money elsewhere and just get on with life. If another team offer sheets him, let him go. If not, hold onto his rights and let the right deal present itself down the road.

 

[Bigmarycombo]

When Nylander was holding out

Talking heads and insiders said he wanted 8.5
Or he wasn’t signing.

Marner fans reaction trade his greedy ass out of town

Nylander fans reactions don’t believe the talking heads and insiders they are just giving information based on nothing concrete
Just their opinion

Marner not signed yet

Talking heads and insiders saying he refused 11 million

Nylander fans reaction trade his greedy ass out of town

Marner fans reaction don’t believe the talking heads and insiders
They are giving information based on nothing concrete just their opinion

Both sides getting upset over nothing

 

[Notsince67]

I'm all for a Marner overpayment now, but the 7.5 offer was a pretty fair offer for last summer

You didnt read the post. The price I game was to hedge risk. My analysis was pretty straight forward and hardly prescient. My point projection and stress test is absolutely the right analysis to do with another ELC year left. 7.5 would have been ok had he been at the end of his ELC.

 

[Mr Hockey]

I just don't like the fact he wanted 9AAV last summer and then has a great year and bumps his AAV up another 3AAV to what 12AAV? that's a bit bothersome but I get it

 

[Stephen]

When Nylander was holding out

Talking heads and insiders said he wanted 8.5
Or he wasn’t signing.

Marner fans reaction trade his greedy ass out of town

Nylander fans reactions don’t believe the talking heads and insiders they are just giving information based on nothing concrete
Just their opinion

Marner not signed yet

Talking heads and insiders saying he refused 11 million

Nylander fans reaction trade his greedy ass out of town

Marner fans reaction don’t believe the talking heads and insiders
They are giving information based on nothing concrete just their opinion

Both sides getting upset over nothing

One thing with the Nylander negotiations is he wasn't looking to set salary records for a winger and all the whispers surrounding the Marner talks would indicate that's what Magic's camp is looking for.

 

[A1LeafNation]

how come those same game breakers didn't end it in game 6 and were run over in game 7 ... but you think if they got an extra shift or 2 in the 3rd, the leafs would have won ... Marleau and brown played their regular shifts an did ok

Exactly where was Marner?

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Marners with no contract this year will get us through our cap crunch year.

Nylander signing a last minute deal lowered his remaining years cap hit as much as it possibly could.

Just saying.

It actually didn't lower his remaining years cap hit in the slightest. That was a misunderstood internet rumour.

Nylander actually recieved 42 million in real dollars. Divided by 6 seasons it's 6.96 aav.

No remaining year cap hit reduction.

 

[A1LeafNation]

It actually didn't lower his remaining years cap hit in the slightest. That was a misunderstood internet rumour.

Nylander actually recieved 42 million in real dollars. Divided by 6 seasons it's 6.96 aav.

No remaining year cap hit reduction.

Getting it under 7 for these years is the point.

 

[The CyNick]

Part of growing as a professional is recognizing failure, and improving on it.

All part of having a junior GM.

He won't be a junior forever.

It is good to see Dubas make those comments. He is owning up to his actions and decisions. That is a good start, and a mature way of taking his growth.

In the meantime he's screwing with what should have been a dynasty.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Getting it under 7 for these years is the point.

What does waiting it out have to do with it? Leafs could have paid him 42 million over 6 seasons on July 1st. Would amount to the precise same cap hit years 2-6.

 

[Canadian Finn]

In the meantime he's screwing with what should have been a dynasty.

It's all about future potential son.

Mill's top selling feature.

It isn't what I can do for you "now", it is what I can do for you "later".

But pay me now!

 

[A1LeafNation]

What does waiting it out have to do with it? Leafs could have paid him 42 million over 6 seasons on July 1st. Would amount to the precise same cap hit years 2-6.

Hey you are right. Had to look that up.

Thought the talking heads said it was suppose to be reduced.

Just another reason not to listen to them anymore.