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Yeah, I love O Dog for comedy, but his opinion on prospects (particularly smaller sized guys)is almost always negative. O dog is actually a bit of a miserable human being. He likes disappointment.
Prospect Info: Mitch Marner (continued)
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thewave
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Why are you stunned? The kids nothing but potential and is still a kid with a kids physique. Marner hasn't done anything to warrant comments like he will be the next Kane etc. He has great hands but does he have Kessel type top speed? I don't think he does.
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Can Marner be Kane with his size less the speed? It's pretty valid thought process. We know he has pretty sick skills but will they translate?
We have to wait and see tbh.
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Marner really needs to work and improve his first few steps/acceleration, so he can create space for himself like Barzal is able to.
Really hoping that's a big priority for Leafs/Marner other then getting stronger. His edge work/agility is excellent though.
Kessel has legs like a bull. Marner has legs like a bird of prey. Kane has legs somewhere in between. All three very different. Marner and Kane seem to want to be the best of the best.
Kessel sure did seem to want to be the top scorer in the NHL for a while and he delighted us with that , but things have changed a bit for Phil. Hey, huge money changes almost everyone.
Kessel sure did seem to want to be the top scorer in the NHL for a while and he delighted us with that , but things have changed a bit for Phil. Hey, huge money changes almost everyone.
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I wouldn't put too much stock on these WJC games. Canada in overall is in trouble. There is not structure and lines are shuffling so fast that there is no chemistry either. Canada plays mostly along the boards and without proper rhythm so quality of the passes is bad and in most cases the play stops to the blue line. So Marner can't even use his speed or skill. You need either proper breakout pass or you'd need to play puck though the middle in neutral zone.
Mostly zone entries come also along the boards or dump in's so if Marner don't have the puck he'll get it in the corner or he has to fall back to blue line and there he usually has no speed. Marner tries to circle around the offensive zone, but he can't get the puck from there. So he goes to blue line or behind the net and in worst cases he wrestles with one big dman.
If you want something out of speedy and shifty forward you need to get him the puck and get the line mates near, so he can pass or force himself on 1on1. No Marnes has little or no speed when he gets the puck and play is stagnated.
This same goes for Strome and he suffers too, but his bigger so when his playing along the boards at least he got the size. Same goes for Virtanen and Crouse. They can cycle the puck better, because of the size, but you can't do much if play starts from the corner every time.
When play broken up in the neutral zone and puck carrier has speed and line mates near him your game looks really good. Enough skill and speed. Or if defense can play the puck to center or forward in the middle that can pass it forward, then it works.
Now you chip the puck to the boards and if there is no speed winger chips the puck to deep and then other forward forecheck and try to wrestle the puck out of the corner. Those bad saucers are one problem because you can't really play the puck fast to anyone.
That is not the environment where small skilled wingers succeed. Either you have to get better breakout passes or at least some structure.
I'd blame the coach, because PP is same stagnated gong show with slow and bad passes. There is no tempo or idea.
Mostly zone entries come also along the boards or dump in's so if Marner don't have the puck he'll get it in the corner or he has to fall back to blue line and there he usually has no speed. Marner tries to circle around the offensive zone, but he can't get the puck from there. So he goes to blue line or behind the net and in worst cases he wrestles with one big dman.
If you want something out of speedy and shifty forward you need to get him the puck and get the line mates near, so he can pass or force himself on 1on1. No Marnes has little or no speed when he gets the puck and play is stagnated.
This same goes for Strome and he suffers too, but his bigger so when his playing along the boards at least he got the size. Same goes for Virtanen and Crouse. They can cycle the puck better, because of the size, but you can't do much if play starts from the corner every time.
When play broken up in the neutral zone and puck carrier has speed and line mates near him your game looks really good. Enough skill and speed. Or if defense can play the puck to center or forward in the middle that can pass it forward, then it works.
Now you chip the puck to the boards and if there is no speed winger chips the puck to deep and then other forward forecheck and try to wrestle the puck out of the corner. Those bad saucers are one problem because you can't really play the puck fast to anyone.
That is not the environment where small skilled wingers succeed. Either you have to get better breakout passes or at least some structure.
I'd blame the coach, because PP is same stagnated gong show with slow and bad passes. There is no tempo or idea.
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thewave
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Point being if you want to be smallish and shifty you had better have legs and a good engine.
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The WJC is one of the most entertaining sports events of the year - but man, people put way too much emphasis on using this to analyze players.
In the big picture its meaninglessly small. Players who excel here may flop, those who are cold may be the best NHLers
In the big picture its meaninglessly small. Players who excel here may flop, those who are cold may be the best NHLers
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ya...marner tlusty lol joke
he has the best hands ive seen in a long time, great vision and creative..really could be a patty kane..he does need to shoot more excited to see him nylander timashov
fyi i hope we draft alex nylander
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Snacks was on point during the Quiz, Marner indeed has been only so-so in the tournament. Though I'll agree that the coaching of Lowry is holding the entire team back including Marner.
Honestly, as of now he really hasn't shown much to get the praise he does. Sure he puts up incredible numbers in the ohl but when you put him with guys his level and age range or higher, he looks very average at best. He's been pretty inconsistent so far in this tounry from period to period and when you look at how mediocre he looked at prospect camp it's actually a bit underwhelming. I'm not saying he's a bust but he's given how small he is, he's a high risk/high reward kind of pick and has a lot to work on to get to the pro level
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You need to watch more games then just the Leafs
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=98634
Obviously I know who Evander Kane is. It's the Mitch Marner thread, he has been compared to PATRICK Kane over and over again. Never once to EVANDER Kane.
I didn't realize I needed to specify which Kane I was referring to in my question. Carry on Leaf Nation..
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Mitch is a fantastic skater quick, shifty and smooth. He's still young and when he hits the pros there is no reason not to believe he won't gain more quickness, more speed and more lower body strength.
And for those criticizing the kid with comments like what has he done? Check out his stats that should give u a starting point. He already has amazing skills, will keep refining them and imo continue to get better.
And for those criticizing the kid with comments like what has he done? Check out his stats that should give u a starting point. He already has amazing skills, will keep refining them and imo continue to get better.
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you ARE correct hes like pat kane not evander...other poster is way off
p kane..awesum hands finesse guy
e kane...speedy grinder witha shot
scotian1
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Must say as a Leaf fan, I have not been overly impressed with Marner's play in the WJ tourney. He has a great deal of trouble in loose battles for the puck and also often holds on to it too long when he does have possession. It seems he is still trying to do things he was able to get away with playing against lesser competition. Hopefully he will adapt his game.
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Well he put up amazing numbers as a 17 year old, and 18 year old against mostly 17-20 year olds, so there goes that argument.
Dvorak and Tkachuk are better prospects than Point/Quenville, so there goes the looks average with better teammates argument.
He also put up really good numbers without Dvorak/Domi on his line in the playoffs last year (same sample size).
I sat across O' Dog for two hours one night downtown toronto, and honestly just left, guy was lost.
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I just can't comprehend how anyone can think that 3 games carries more weight than his past two OHL seasons.....
Dangles McGavin
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No need to get so defensive.
Marner hasn't looked like a superstar in pretty much every public viewing of non-OHL followers. Namely, pre-season and WJC.
It's natural that people would be less that ecstatic about the pick. Hopefully he pans out.
Marner hasn't looked like a superstar in pretty much every public viewing of non-OHL followers. Namely, pre-season and WJC.
It's natural that people would be less that ecstatic about the pick. Hopefully he pans out.
When I said with what I meant was playing against better competition. (I.e. guys who are 18+ and all considered high level prospects)
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O'Neill can go ahead and say he doesn't like Marner, but he's obviously a very skilled offensive prospect, something Tlusty never was and was never said to be. Pretty odd comparison.
It carries weight cause it's higher level of competition than the ohl. Most those kids don't have a future in hockey past their 4 years or whatever of juniors. The guys that make their national team are the best prospects of their country and will likely at least make minor pros. Does it carry more weight? No, sample size is small. But it's something to consider when you factor in how underwhelming he looked in training camp and the rookie tournament as well. All I'm saying is he gets way too much praise for a kid who's proven nothing yet and has a lot of work cut out for him before he makes pros. He definitely needs to get bigger and stronger
O'Neil was never the same after his brother died imho. He is just forever bitter, same as Wilson, my fear for Nylander and Marner is for them to be affected by this type of venom.
Hey, no promises for either kid, but they are both exciting, both full of potential and I can only hope the media don't try to ruin either of them. That is a lot of hope in this town.
Except for McDavid I have not seen a perfect prospect in the last 20 years. Thank god we have Babcock and Lou here. Not Burke and Nonis. And Wilson.
If they both top out at 60 points we hit a Joey Bats bases loaded homer.
Hey, no promises for either kid, but they are both exciting, both full of potential and I can only hope the media don't try to ruin either of them. That is a lot of hope in this town.
Except for McDavid I have not seen a perfect prospect in the last 20 years. Thank god we have Babcock and Lou here. Not Burke and Nonis. And Wilson.
If they both top out at 60 points we hit a Joey Bats bases loaded homer.
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