$10.93M and he will start producing once another player gets into game shape? we are being royally ripped off. Anything over $10M and that player should be running their own line and making the other 2 lesser players better, Why is it he supposedly made JVR and Bozak into good NHLers but cant with what we have now including John Tavares? He's a better player than his rookie season there is no doubt of that, but cant make players roughly equal to JVR, Bozak better now?
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$10.93M and he will start producing once another player gets into game shape? we are being royally ripped off. Anything over $10M and that player should be running their own line and making the other 2 lesser players better, Why is it he supposedly made JVR and Bozak into good NHLers but cant with what we have now including John Tavares? He's a better player than his rookie season there is no doubt of that, but cant make players roughly equal to JVR, Bozak better now?
I am assuming the department with direct access to the player and data around their conditioning has more knowledge than someone who has likely never played any significant hockey in their life.
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You should also assume the coaching staff who knows the players inside and out know which strategies to use for an optimal PP but here we are...
Throw More Waffles
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This would NEVER happen in reverse. EVER.
Imagine a leaf player paced for 38 goals/77 points his final elc year. Imagine, just imagine if we were using a career high 20 goal/60 point player as his comparable. It would never happen. Nobody would accept that. I would be laughed off the board if I suggested it. Let's also add that Pasta had 1 more ufa year, and isn't NEARLY as front loaded or with signing bonuses (somethign players DESPERATELY want).
Marner was paid as a 90 point player. Being a career average 65 point player the 2 years prior was not considered. Why doesn't that apply to Pasta? Why do the rules constantly change regarding leaf players? Why were goals considered more important than points when looking at Matthews comparables, but that argument disapperas when we compare Nylander to Pasta? The amount of spin required to rationalize these overpayments...
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He drove a 3rd line with Bozak as his center when Nazem Kadri was getting the tough matchup. He drove a line with Kadri in the 2018 playoffs when Matthews was getting the Bergeron matchup.
In the 2019 playoffs when Marner was paired with Tavares on the top line, they got dominated by the Bergeron line. In the Blue Jackets and Habs series Marner was bullied in the o-zone.
It's clear that Marner cannot hold his own against good defenders, and definitely cannot drive a top line against a playoff team
I am going to go out on a limb, call me crazy, but more than raw point totals are brought into the discussion when it comes to contracts.
But even if they weren't, Marner produced far better with lesser players, same with Matthews, they were drivers on their lines, was Pasta?
Aside from one bad performance in 2012-13, when was Ovechkin a playoff choker?
| GP | G | A | Pts | |
| 2007-08 | 7 | 4 | 5 | 9 |
| 2008-09 | 14 | 11 | 10 | 21 |
| 2009-10 | 7 | 5 | 5 | 10 |
| 2010-11 | 9 | 5 | 5 | 10 |
| 2011-12 | 14 | 5 | 4 | 9 |
| 2012-13 | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| 2012-13 | 7 | 1 | 1 | 2 |
| 2013-14 | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| 2014-15 | 14 | 5 | 4 | 9 |
| 2015-16 | 12 | 5 | 7 | 12 |
| 2016-17 | 13 | 5 | 3 | 8 |
| 2017-18 | 24 | 15 | 12 | 27 |
| 2018-19 | 7 | 4 | 5 | 9 |
| 2019-20 | 8 | 4 | 1 | 5 |
| 2020-21 | 5 | 2 | 2 | 4 |
Nothing from 2011-12 to 2016-17 looks good.
60 - 21 - 19 - 40
Actually looks really similar to Marner's point totals.
Ovechkin really has had only a handful of amazing playoffs if you are going off of raw points.
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Notsince67
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Careful there. The only criteria around here is salary. He signed at 18.96% total average team salary making him a greedy mofo.
Just want to know if his father is a prick too.
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Are you really saying Marner's playoff points is similar to Ovie's playoffs(in his not so good years).
Had Ovie ever gone 18 playoffs games(I think) without a goal. Also, I know you are a Leafs fans but pls don't make statement like that, bc it is beyond ridiculous.
Marner likes any other Leafs had not been in good in the past few playoffs. Hope they can change that and learn how to be better this year.
Remember the time when someone here compared Laine to Mario. Those were good times.But folks have compared Marner to Gretzky though...
Well did his father went on interviews and stated his son was being disrepected for not getting bonus or go to a legend of the team asking for advise about getting a trade out of the team bc his son played on the 4th line for a few games?
I know you are literally the No.1 Marner fans here but you can't compare Marner to Ovie. It is like comparing Stella(beer) to Tropicana(Orange Juice), yes both are beverage(Hockey Players) but vastly different.
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1. I dont speak russian
2. Strawmen arguments are the tools of morons. You know better
No, I am saying Marner outpaced Ovie during that time.
I don't understand the obsession with using Marner's goal totals when he is a playmaker. Or using a specific time frame, discuss how he was scoring at a good pace in his first 14 games then?
What I am saying is, don't compare the two. As they are two very different players.
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What I'm saying is that I never compared them but you just did.
I am only applying the most commonly used valuation method here
Thats just made it worst.
They are two very different players. Ovie is a much better playoff performer and player than any current Leafs. Saying Marner outpaced Ovie by stat picking is the same as saying Bunting is a better goal scorer than JT and MM combined bc he scored 2 goals in 4 games while JT and Marner had O goals. Or Reilly is a better playmaker than Marner b/c Reilly got 3 assists this season while Marner got like 1.
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I'll be happy to hear your outrage the next time Marner is compared to a lesser player
Well, I always compare Marner to Kuch or Patty Kane and expect him to be at their levels. It pisses me off that guys like Point, Rantenen and some others always seem to perfrom better than Marner in playoffs.
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