A1LeafNation
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Because this is the NHL and the wear and tear is more intense. Why not have players fresher for the playoffs?
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Because this is the NHL and the wear and tear is more intense. Why not have players fresher for the playoffs?
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These stats can be manipulated to show whatever you want them to show. I once saw two obsessed advanced stats guys face off. One was using advanced stats to show that Draisaitl was a beast that year, regardless of McDavid. The other used advanced stats to show that he was entirely dependent on McDavid. Both cases were equally strong. They just stat mined different stats to make their case. A layman would have been convinced by either one of them.
There are people here working overtime to stat mine advanced stats to try and rationalize our players unprecedented dramatic overpayments. It's a staggering amount of effort they put into it.
But no amount of advanced stat spin can alter RESULTS. It's actual RESULTS that matter. Not manipulation of statistics. And no amount of all your spin will change it.
It's not unlucky. It's not puck luck. It's not (lol) every goalie in the playoffs become vezina contenders.
It's our core overpaid players failing to get RESULTS.
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Mitch has apparently bulked up in legs over summer .. a little slower foot speed but maybe a little stronger for his edges .. this from 2 different people who would know .. so looks like he tried to improve his strength over summer .. this likely comes out for public consumption once he starts to put up apples again
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Mind bottling how many seem to forget, misremember or overlook this. Ovi did everything he could and more, it was the team that let him down.
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Dale Gribble
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Oh without question facing Crosby and Malkin didn't help, but let's not pretend that Ovi wasn't around 40% of the Caps offense in the playoffs.Yup.
Crosby let him down, too.
Do you have proof this is the case or is this just an assumption? We have a whole division designated to making sure players are fresh
A1LeafNation
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Don't we have a whole coaching staff to make sure the PP doesn't crumble in the playoffs too?
That is a good argument, very well thought out and completely relevant, thank you for the input.
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We all want playoff success and playoff production.
I just chuckle when I hear Marner, Nylander and Matthews are overpaid bc they don't come through in playoffs and that maybe they are just regular season players.
All NHL players contracts are for regular season only. There isn't a bonus they get for playoffs. Of course playoffs is where it's all on the line and every player wants it so bad but sometimes it just doesnt happen.
So if we're being fair, the Leafs trio have actually performed very well for their contracts in season. Marner is Top5 pt producer. Matthews is the best goal scorer and Nylander has been rather excellent for 6.9M.
Matthews is only making 3 mill more than Brady Tkachuk. That's ridiculous lmao.
I just chuckle when I hear Marner, Nylander and Matthews are overpaid bc they don't come through in playoffs and that maybe they are just regular season players.
All NHL players contracts are for regular season only. There isn't a bonus they get for playoffs. Of course playoffs is where it's all on the line and every player wants it so bad but sometimes it just doesnt happen.
So if we're being fair, the Leafs trio have actually performed very well for their contracts in season. Marner is Top5 pt producer. Matthews is the best goal scorer and Nylander has been rather excellent for 6.9M.
Matthews is only making 3 mill more than Brady Tkachuk. That's ridiculous lmao.
We were talking about a single player's ice time and how it is being monitored and you started yelling about the powerplay...
It is alright to go back on an opinion if presented with evidence that is against it that you find compelling, this is what a mature individual does.
Your current argument is you know better than Keefe, Marner, and the entire training staff that Marner is not getting the correct ice time.
Yup.
Crosby let him down, too.
That dueling hat tricks game was nuts and the whole 2009 Pens-Caps series really. Even without being a final or elimination game it's gotta go down as an all time great game/series.
Marner's Playoff career
32GP, 5G, 20A, 25Pts
Pulling similar sample sizes to start his career
Ovi first 3 playoffs
28GP, 20G, 20A, 40Pts
Ovi's first 4 playoffs
37GP, 25G, 25A, 50Pts
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All three of them are overpaid when looking at their direct comparables at time of signing. And that's based just on regular season.
They aren't though. All 3 were given contracts consistent with recent and historical post-ELC comparables, based on their pre-signing periods.
Nylander 100% wasn't, go look at Pasta's numbers before signing since this seems to be the most common comparison.
Also, Matthews is paid fairly.
Marner is overpaid.
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Marner pts are irrelevant. He cannot dominate. He cannot drive a line. He cannot score.
Nylander 4 pts in 4 GP. Can dominate. He can drive a line. He can score.
Do yourself a favor and don't look up Marner's even-strength goal numbers, they may destroy your narrative.
He doesn't score on the PP is a more accurate assessment.
And Marner can drive a line and has in the past easily.
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Pasta was coming off of a year pacing for 38 goals/77 points. Nylander was coming off a year pacing for (lol) 20 goals/60 points. And if your argument is that Pasta only did that once, so it (lol) doesn't count, then why wasn't marner paid as a 65 point player?
pacing for 40 pts the year before and just over 40 the year before that was probably not doing Pastrnak any favors. Marner was never below 60 and then hit 94, Nylander was also never below 60. Not really hard to see this, if you can't I can't help you.
Also, you inflated Pasta's numbers and brought down Nylander's.
It's not that it "doesn't count". It's that it's considered in combination with his ~40 point pace the previous 2 years, when he wasn't on a stacked line.
A1LeafNation
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No my argument has been since before the season was that Keefe's coaching should be questioned right now after that meltdown in the playoffs.
Any team can have a strategy (when it comes to power play or player fatigue), but it doesn't mean we need to assume they are doing their job correctly.
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