Mitch Marner Continued II
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RunItBackAgain
“We were right there”
- Oct 14, 2021
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@Notsince67 is right. You guys are setting him up to be the next Thornton. It’s not ok we are here for one goal only, to win the cup
anything less is a failure with this core.
anything less is a failure with this core.
No. He's not right at all.
He's basically implying that Marner gets a free pass for doing f*** all in the playoffs if they don't win the cup.
RunItBackAgain
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Throw More Waffles
Unprecedented Dramatic Overpayments
- Oct 9, 2015
- 12,952
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True. When you compare Marner's contract to other contracts that are universally considered horrible, Marner's starts to look slightly less terrible.
But goes both ways... Compare Marner's contract to some of the best contracts in the league, and it looks worse and worse.
Throw More Waffles
Unprecedented Dramatic Overpayments
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His closest comparables made 8.5-9.5 on simlar term. It's a horrible contract. Stop trying to defend it.
People are critical because outrageous contracts come with outrageous expectations. If he wanted fair expectations he should have signed a fair contract, like his direct comparables did.
Gary Nylund
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Well put! That's exactly what it sounded like and it wasn't ambiguous.
Exactly. Can't blame him for taking all that money when the GM was dumb enough to give it to him but once you take it, you simply can not complain about taking the heat that results from it. Suck it up buttercup, that's all there is to it.
Notsince67
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Don't make shit up. Don't set up a straw man and start slamming me with words I never used. I just choose to not engage in the dumb statistical arguments anymore because it is clear that people are proud of their illiteracy.
On this, I will make my last exception.
Accounting for puck luck/bad luck, here is the relative expected goals % for the team for last years playoffs. As you will see, Marner did not do f*** all and only a fool or a person who didnt watch thinks this. Could he have done better? Yes but perhaps there are a number of other targets out there you could focus on whose luck masked their poor play. Edit....you are welcome for the education
| Relative | |
| Expected | |
| Goals % | |
| Auston Matthews | 17.80% |
| Morgan Rielly | 11.90% |
| Wayne Simmonds | 11.80% |
| Zach Hyman | 10.20% |
| Mitchell Marner | 9.60% |
| Pierre Engvall | 9.30% |
| Travis Dermott | 6.10% |
| Joe Thornton | 5.90% |
| Jason Spezza | 5.90% |
| Rasmus Sandin | 4.40% |
| William Nylander | 1.90% |
| Nick Foligno | -2.70% |
| TJ Brodie | -3% |
| Jake Muzzin | -5% |
| Alexander Kerfoot | -8.20% |
| Ilya Mikheyev | -9.30% |
| Justin Holl | -11.10% |
| Zach Bogosian | -20.80% |
| Adam Brooks | -20.80% |
| Alex Galchenyuk | -20.90% |
| Riley Nash | -50.60% |
Top 20 cap hits in the NHL (all salaries 9.5 million and greater):
1. McDavid: 12.5
2. Panarin: 11.642
3. Matthews: 11.64
4. Karlsson: 11.5
5. Doughty: 11
5. Tavares: 11
7. Marner: 10.9
8. Price: 10.5
8. Kane: 10.5
8. Toews: 10.5
11. Bobrovsky: 10
11. Kopitar: 10
11. Eichel: 10
14. Seguin: 9.85
15. Malkin: 9.5
15. Stone: 9.5
15. Ovechkin: 9.5
15. Benn: 9.5
15. Vasilevsky: 9.5
15. Kucherov: 9.5
In terms of being worth the money, Marner is probably above average. He's not as overpaid as many of you are portraying here.
Since signing the contract 3 years ago, 6th in points, 2nd for primary assists and coming off of NHL first-team right wing award and top ten Selke season.
There is almost anything better to argue about than his contract.
1. McDavid: 12.5
2. Panarin: 11.642
3. Matthews: 11.64
4. Karlsson: 11.5
5. Doughty: 11
5. Tavares: 11
7. Marner: 10.9
8. Price: 10.5
8. Kane: 10.5
8. Toews: 10.5
11. Bobrovsky: 10
11. Kopitar: 10
11. Eichel: 10
14. Seguin: 9.85
15. Malkin: 9.5
15. Stone: 9.5
15. Ovechkin: 9.5
15. Benn: 9.5
15. Vasilevsky: 9.5
15. Kucherov: 9.5
In terms of being worth the money, Marner is probably above average. He's not as overpaid as many of you are portraying here.
Since signing the contract 3 years ago, 6th in points, 2nd for primary assists and coming off of NHL first-team right wing award and top ten Selke season.
There is almost anything better to argue about than his contract.
Throw More Waffles
Unprecedented Dramatic Overpayments
- Oct 9, 2015
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Lol, his 3 closest comparables at time of signing aren't even on the list. And are any of those players on rfa contracts other than the leafs players? Only Eichel and McDavid I think?
You can't possibly think that that list supports your argument, can you?
Now add term and timing to each of those contracts, suddenly the leaf contracts start looking a lot worse. Not to mention most of those guys lead their team to 1 rd of playoff victory at a minimum if not a cup or conN smythe considerations
Term and timing are actually huge as the covid flat cap has greatly affected contracts going forward (screwing the Leafs and making the contracts higher relative contracts coming after).
Who are his comparables again?
And how much do you think he is overpaid exactly?
I think the question should be can Leafs or any teams win with THREE of the top SEVEN contracts in the league? IF yes, then the Leafs are really underperforming bc they have not even win a round in the last 5 years.
Personally, I hope they become the first team with a 10mil plus player to win the Cup.
Personally, I hope they become the first team with a 10mil plus player to win the Cup.
Yea just like Ottawa trading Yashin destroyed their future? Trading players has also benefitted teams.
I keep hearing, "just wait, marner is gonna make you look stupid"..... he's had THREE subpar playoffs, he hasn't scored a playoff goal in 921 days! I sure hope he gets it soon! But I definitely think it's fair for this thread to exist. Marner also made about 15 million last year.... I don't think we need to worry about his feelings being hurt because of this thread.
therealkoho
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wowweewowwow
That unreal, because that's exactly what I was trying to say, but you know i was saying the opposite 2 thumps up brobee
Now what in the wide world of sports does Artie Yaszgur getting traded have anything to do with Woodstock and the price of Fender Jazzmasters
Not sure if'n I did that right but I shore is tryin my durndest Mister.
You said. And I quote.
"You think anybody remembers playoff numbers that dont end up with a cup"
That's making excuses for Marner. You said something spicy and are now trying to backpedal because you realized how foolish you sounded.
Own what you said.
You can't seriously believe that he played like an $11 million dollar player do you?
Leafblooded
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Leafblooded
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Marner producing in the playoffs and winning the Cup comes hand in hand...you can't be shutout in the playoffs while taking up almost $11 million in cap space.
Anthrax442
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Marner's only play is "pass to Matthews". We know how this will end in Playoffs. FFS
supermann_98
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Honest question, when was the last game he scored a goal? 0 this year, 0 in the playoffs ... when you consider he's top line PP, top line minutes over 20 a night, it's pretty damn pathetic
stickty111
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Standards have dropped for him when we are praising him for playing great for passing to Matthews.
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