Wafflewhipper
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I said that early in the year before the season started that he needs to take the puck to the net and jam some in
Mitch “Magic” Marner Thread
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So you think Marner has been worth 11 million this post season thus far and last post season?
Not sure why season stats are being brought into a discussion about postseason play.
Mats13
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Beyonder91
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You're talking about 3 games so far and he has 3 points. He has had some great chances too that he just didn't finish. The great Auston Matthews only has one goal.
Marner is still playing the most minutes of all forwards and killing penalties.
Can he be better? Of course.
You are just setting yourself up to eat crow but I get it... You've allowed yourself to get so upset over his contract that all you can do is focus on any mistake he makes out there.
It's sad really.
Beyonder91
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Marner has more points per game than Matthews over the past 3 seasons.
It goes both ways.
BlueForever75
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He needs to shoot the puck more especially on the PP.
Everyone knows what the Leafs are trying to do on the PP. Get the puck to Matthews. So why not start shooting from everywhere with traffic in front. We have seen this series what shooting from the outside can do with traffic in front. Both Sandin (on PP) and Nylander last night put puck on net and it goes in.
It simple. Why they arent coaching that I dont know. If its on players then so be it. Get players on the ice that will shoot the puck on net.
Everyone knows what the Leafs are trying to do on the PP. Get the puck to Matthews. So why not start shooting from everywhere with traffic in front. We have seen this series what shooting from the outside can do with traffic in front. Both Sandin (on PP) and Nylander last night put puck on net and it goes in.
It simple. Why they arent coaching that I dont know. If its on players then so be it. Get players on the ice that will shoot the puck on net.
So you missed my question about last postseason? Or ignoring it because you know it negatively effects your rhetoric? So you have no explanation on why you thought his season stats are relevant to people opinions in his postseason play? You seem to have just breezed over that question too.
So you agree he should be better? everyone your arguing with is saying he needs to play better but your pulling a straw man and acting like everyone says he sucks. Nobody is saying he sucks (at least I haven't) he hasn't been good enough.
Beyonder91
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Last playoffs was a joke. Players are off for months and then jump right into playoffs with very little preparation.
Marner also matched up against the best line in the league for a significant chunk of his playoff games played. You also "breeze" over that fact too... don't you? He was used in a shutdown type role by Babcock in that series and did his job. He either went even or was +1 over the series with a large % of his zone starts being defensive.
And nah... What bothers me is how you guys exaggerate every single mistake the guy makes and obsess over his salary. There is no other player in the league that puts up the numbers that Marner does that gets the same hate from their fanbase.
He shut you guys up this season but as soon as you get a shot in the playoffs you jump all over him after only a few games. Like I said you are only setting yourselves up to eat crow again like you did all season.
Also, please tell me what your definition of "good enough" is... I'd love a good laugh
The whole reason Sandin was able to score on the PP in Game 2 is because Price was cheating towards Matthews. If WE can see it, why can't the coaches?
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I'd describe his play this series as being quitely good. He's overall making a very positive on ice impact with his play. But he hasn't quite taken over the play like he has been able to show during the regular season. Needs to show people he's unquestionably a top 5 winger with every shift.
He looked a bit gassed a couple times last night too. Ideally Leafs win big tonight and the coaches can be a bit more balanced with icetime
Regardless. The Leafs don't win those two games without him
He has one primary assist in 8 games... is that good enough to you? Just curious? Are you laughing hysterically right now?
Beyonder91
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There is more to the game than primary points. 8 games is a small sample size.
There is a reason he led the team in ice time last night.
If you guys think Marner is playing bad then you are only watching the PP and not the other 99% of things that happen on the ice.
Wait are you laughing though? You said you'd be laughing?.... seems your even saying hasn't been good enough.... but are making excuses why he hasn't been good enough. Other players in the post season last year had dominant playoffs. Why is it an excuse against Marner but not them?
Crosby has 173 playoff games at 34 years old..Exactly, an 8 game sample is much more reliable than a 2oo game one.
Ok, I didn't know the expecation was to pay Marner 11 million and let him grow into his contract. Damn... I need go talk to my boss.
Sounds like everyone is in agreement that he hasn't been good enough (for an 11 million dollar player) through the past 8 games.
Beyonder91
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I'm laughing at you coming in here after 3 games saying he hasn't been good enough. It's clear you are just waiting to jump on him. I'm sure this isn't the first time you have been quick to try and discredit him.
I never said he hasn't been good enough. I said he could be better. There is a difference.
He is out there in all situations and is playing the most minutes of any forward. I actually think he has been quite solid overall but certainly could have capitalized on some scoring chances. It's interesting that if he had finished a couple of his chances you probably aren't anywhere to be found in this thread.
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I didn’t have too much criticism for Marner in a road playoff win last night. He was very energetic and disruptive to kill the 4 minute penalty at the start of the game, was buzzing in a defensive role late in the third, stuffed Weber’s point shot with a poke check with a couple of minutes to go. Offensively, he set up Rielly on the game winning goal so he found a lot of little ways to contribute.
And here comes the “but.” I think his inability to engage physically hurts his game and makes him a limited participant in a classic playoff style game. And secondly, it was fine that he found other ways to contribute to a close 2-1 win, however, in order for the Leafs to be more successful any given night in the playoffs he needs to be a big, noticeable factor offensively. It all goes back to salary and expectations and for that he has to be closer to a Nikita Kucherov rather than a Connor Brown. Someone lower on the pecking order can do all those things. Not a lot of guys can do Marner type things.
And here comes the “but.” I think his inability to engage physically hurts his game and makes him a limited participant in a classic playoff style game. And secondly, it was fine that he found other ways to contribute to a close 2-1 win, however, in order for the Leafs to be more successful any given night in the playoffs he needs to be a big, noticeable factor offensively. It all goes back to salary and expectations and for that he has to be closer to a Nikita Kucherov rather than a Connor Brown. Someone lower on the pecking order can do all those things. Not a lot of guys can do Marner type things.
keonsbitterness
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You should definitely go talk to your boss given the fact based analysis and eloquence of your arguments. Let me know how it goes.
So, being as specific as possible, what would be "good enough" for an 11 million dollar player through the past 8 games?
I disagree that he needs to shoot more. It's kinda part of the road that got his head so confused. He needs to drive the net more and go try and make plays in dirtier areas. That will make defenders cover him. If he's on pp1 he should play the tap back position. Playing high on the boards it doesn't matter if he shoots or not.
I'm not a Marner fan by any means. I feel like his assist numbers look good and are higher than his line mates because he never scores. For instance Hyman /Matthews can make a great play, but if it goes to Marner and he shoots no one gets a point. Same nifty play that ends on Matthews stick and it's a goal. That's just my opinion. I don't find him particularly creative or dazzling. Kessel and Lupol were a much more creative and dynamic duo in their last year. I'm not saying they're better, but in the o zone they were sweet together.
Guys like Draisaitl and Kuznetsov to me make beauty passes.
I'm not a Marner fan by any means. I feel like his assist numbers look good and are higher than his line mates because he never scores. For instance Hyman /Matthews can make a great play, but if it goes to Marner and he shoots no one gets a point. Same nifty play that ends on Matthews stick and it's a goal. That's just my opinion. I don't find him particularly creative or dazzling. Kessel and Lupol were a much more creative and dynamic duo in their last year. I'm not saying they're better, but in the o zone they were sweet together.
Guys like Draisaitl and Kuznetsov to me make beauty passes.
keonsbitterness
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Beyonder91
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I'm still trying to wrap my head around this post...
Marner was second on the team in goals so saying he never scores is odd.
Also he had highlight reel assists all year. Go watch a highlight video of Matthews goals this year and you will see Marner all over it.
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