Miscellaneous NHL Talk XLII - The answer to life, the universe, and everything

[landsbergfan]

Oh...Nick Suzuki who Frost has been better than every year since the draft and is younger than Frost, is on pace for 49 points this year. He started the season with 7 points in 18 games....the exact same that Frost had. They didn't demote him....they let him play om the 3rd line and learn from mistakes.

So let's not pretend that Frost could not have been put in the same position.

Maybe we should have played him as the #3C when the games didn't matter so that he would have been ready for this stretch when games now matter. Just an idea.

Oh...and what happens next year if Patrick IS healthy and plays? Where does Frost play?

the Phantoms

 

[Tripod]

LW, and if that does happen, man we are sitting pretty

G Couts Jake
Laughton Hayes TK
JVR Patrick Farabee
Frost Bunny NAK



After all, I was just told we can't demote Laughton.

 

[bennysflyers16]

G Couts Jake
Laughton Hayes TK
JVR Patrick Farabee
Frost Bunny NAK



After all, I was just told we can't demote Laughton.

You switch Frost and Laughton, watch the f*** out

 

[Curufinwe]

20-21 opening night

Giroux-Couturier-Konecny
Farabee-Patrick-Hayes
Laughton-Frost-Laczynski
Raffl-Vorobyev-NAK
Stewart (healthy scratch)

JVR and Jake traded for a bag of pucks.

 

[Tripod]

You switch Frost and Laughton, watch the f*** out

I left Raffl off just for you

 

[deadhead]

Oh...Nick Suzuki who Frost has been better than every year since the draft and is younger than Frost, is on pace for 49 points this year. He started the season with 7 points in 18 games....the exact same that Frost had. They didn't demote him....they let him play om the 3rd line and learn from mistakes.

So let's not pretend that Frost could not have been put in the same position.

Maybe we should have played him as the #3C when the games didn't matter so that he would have been ready for this stretch when games now matter. Just an idea.

Oh...and what happens next year if Patrick IS healthy and plays? Where does Frost play?

Could be that the scouts were right, Suzuki was #13, Frost #27.
Suzuki has 26 ES points in 67 games, a 32 point pace.

Last year in OHL playoffs, Suzuki 24g 16-26 42 +22, Frost 11g 11-7 18 +2, so who was more NHL ready?

Suzuki CF 52.24%, xGF 53.29%, CFrel -2.91, xGFrel -1.19, xGA/60 1.93, 1.47 pp/60
Frost SF 51.15%, xGF 48.66%, CFrel -0.51, xGFrel +0.22, xGA/60 2.58, 1.67 pp/60

Suzuki's competition at 3C was Weal and Cousins.
Montreal is not a playoff team, so playing Suzuki more minutes made sense.

 

[bennysflyers16]

I left Raffl off just for you

I didnt even notice

 

[TheKingPin]

Looks like the GMs will vote that offsides will be called as the blue line is a plane. So possession and placement of the player is determined with the players body and bay parts relative to the blue line, not where the skate is. Good rule change.

 

[deadhead]

Looks like the GMs will vote that offsides will be called as the blue line is a plane. So possession and placement of the player is determined with the players body and bay parts relative to the blue line, not where the skate is. Good rule change.

Yep, no more spending five minutes to figure out if the player's back skate was on or off the ice.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

No....Yamamoto is not a different draft class. Both were drafted in 2017.

And the ENTIRE point was that the TOO SMALL Frost at 6'0 180 lb is quite bigger than the 5'8 156 lb Yam. Hmmm...I guess Farebee is way bigger too. Size and strength have been used as excuses by certain posters to support their demotions, yet here is a tiny Yam playing.

No, size isn’t the “entire point.” I gave a number of reasons you’re making a false equivalency.

To repeat:

This is Yamomoto’s 3rd crack at the NHL. Frost’s first.

Yamomoto had 5 points in 26 NHL games prior to this season.

Yamamoto’s run this season in his third taste of pro experience doesn’t mean Frost is ready to do the same as a pro rookie. That’s expecting him to leap over Yamamoto’s development curve. Even ignoring Yammer’s 9 NHL games at 19, An extra year of seasoning from 20 to 21 can mean a lot.

Not to mention Yamamoto plays a less demanding position.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Looks like the GMs will vote that offsides will be called as the blue line is a plane. So possession and placement of the player is determined with the players body and bay parts relative to the blue line, not where the skate is. Good rule change.

Yep, no more spending five minutes to figure out if the player's back skate was on or off the ice.

It will make these onerous challenges less frequent, but now they're going to be about figuring out if someone's arm was over the line and that will be worse.

Unless they just roll with "ah who can tell! Inconclusive! Call stands!" for all of that.

 

[DAVIDE1333]

Maybe Rinne should shoot more often.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I expect this to be the game that ends the Penguins' skid and then we start having to jockey with them in the standings again once they go on a tear.

I expect many f*** the Senators posts at about 9:30

 

[baudib1]

Deadhead is hitting an all-time personal low for bad posting in defending the demotion of Frost. As in, this is actively worse than him defending Hakstol, Hextall, "had no choice" stuff and his constant Konency bashing.

Keep that in mind and carry on.

 

[deadhead]

Deadhead is hitting an all-time personal low for bad posting in defending the demotion of Frost. As in, this is actively worse than him defending Hakstol, Hextall, "had no choice" stuff and his constant Konency bashing.

Keep that in mind and carry on.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that Frost was dominating play when he was sent down.
Silly me, I didn't realize he was a budding superstar!
xGA/60 of 2.58 is well behind all of the top 9 forwards and up there with Andreoff and Vorobyev.
xGF/60 of 2.45 is pretty good, 5th among forwards.
1.67 pp/60 was 8th among forwards, just behind Farabee and just ahead of Pitlick.
CFrel -0.51, xGFrel -1.95

Of course, he had highly sheltered minutes and a high rate of O-zones starts.
O-zone starts per 60 was second to Giroux, D-zone starts one of the lowest at 4.46, compare to say Farabee at 7.74, Hayes at 11.04, or Couts at 11.80 and Laughton at 11.96 [Bunnaman was also highly sheltered at 4.41]

All in all, Frost has played like a so-so 3C this season, and there is no reason to expect that his play will improve as games get more physical and windows get smaller.

Whether you play him or Grant at 3C is a matter of what the coach wants out of his 3rd line.

Thompson didn't put up good metrics in Montreal, but one reason is a D-zone start rate of 15.86/60.
Derek Grant in Anaheim had a D-zone start rate of 19.22/60.

 

[Beef Invictus]

He doesn't need to be dominating play to remain. That's a terrible development philosophy and it ensures you'll minimize how many players you develop into NHL talent.

 

[DancingPanther]

Looks like the GMs will vote that offsides will be called as the blue line is a plane. So possession and placement of the player is determined with the players body and bay parts relative to the blue line, not where the skate is. Good rule change.

What? So you won't be able to straddle the blue line anymore to stay onside?

 

[deadhead]

He doesn't need to be dominating play to remain. That's a terrible development philosophy and it ensures you'll minimize how many players you develop into NHL talent.

The stretch run and the playoffs are not when you prioritize player development.

Unless of course, you think they should wait another three years before making a serious playoff run?

 

[Tripod]

The stretch run and the playoffs are not when you prioritize player development.

Unless of course, you think they should wait another three years before making a serious playoff run?

Maybe they should have kept playing Frost in those games that don't matter you always talk about.

 

[DancingPanther]

 

[TCTC]

The Senators are a terrible road team. This will be an easy win for the Pens, unfortunately.

Oh well, that losing streak can't go on forever.

 

[Rebels57]

So EvolvingWild is at war with Oilers fans because apparently they claimed Nishushkin was more valuable than Draisaitl.

Valeri Nichushkin likely having a better year than Leon Draisaitl, according to analytics enthusiasts. Hmm

They also tweeted the following.



Theyve set advanced stats back years with these 2 claims lol

 

[Tripod]

So EvolvingWild is at war with Oilers fans because apparently they claimed Nishushkin was more valuable than Draisaitl.

They also tweeted the following.



Theyve set advanced stats back years with these 2 claims lol

love this reply to that!

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

So EvolvingWild is at war with Oilers fans because apparently they claimed Nishushkin was more valuable than Draisaitl.

They also tweeted the following.



Theyve set advanced stats back years with these 2 claims lol

Does EvolvingWild deem the Selke to be given to the best defensive forward with 100% of the focus on the defensive aspect? I imagine so, with no care in the world for scoring which is what the award really is.

 

[Tripod]

lol...Sens.

2 goals allowed 1:30 into game.