Miscellaneous NHL Discussion XLIX: Covid Cup Edition

[JojoTheWhale]

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

"How dare they think they know better" while accidentally admitting that they knew better.

Is there any other sport that features teams stubbornly f***ing themselves over just to spite their own fans? There's Rutherford, there's the whole MacDonald thing (and basically every single bad acquisition), there's Edmonton's existence in general.

It’s hard to really feel bad for those guys (MacDonald & Johnson) because they’re making a lot of money they don’t really deserve but it does paint a huge target on their on their back.

Like I’m sure MacDonald probably didn’t even care about taking a pay cut on the buyout this past year to just get out of here towards the end.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I’m sure you can find quotes from Pierre complaining about Kadri getting himself suspended last playoffs too.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I’m trying to find if this is an actual quote or not. There’s documented history that the two don’t like each from when Green was a player & Milbury was his coach though.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

This reminds me of Chip Kelly and the city of Philadelphia.

Thus fills my Chip Kelly post quota for the day.

 

[Striiker]

Never heard about this before.

"He's a gutless puke, that's what Travis Green is. That's why he doesn't wear an Islander uniform any more." - Mike Milbury

and

Milbury, at Impasse With Green, Is Weighing His Trade Options

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Never heard about this before.



and

Milbury, at Impasse With Green, Is Weighing His Trade Options

Two blowhards going at it.

 

[pit]

I wish we could see a fraction of this skill in our games:

The Canucks have a cap crunch coming. I'm sure you can get Virtanen at the right price.




That's who you are referring to, right?

 

[freakydallas13]

I would take virtanen on this team easily if he could be aquired for cheap/he wasn't looking for a large contract. He's at least an upgrade over most of the bottom 6 currently in the lineup.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Can Halak hold up when Boston starts playing much deeper teams up front.

He did destroy caps and pens once so I guess.

 

[FLYguy3911]

I've watched enough Virtanen in one lifetime. You do not want.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

I've watched enough Virtanen in one lifetime. You do not want.

Can confirm.

 

[Adtar02]

Can confirm.

you can confirm he watched enough Virtanen for a life time or that you do not want

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

you can confirm he watched enough Virtanen for a life time or that you do not want

Yes.

 

[Striiker]

I think anyone who watched the WJC has watched enough Virtanen for a lifetime.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

"How dare they think they know better" while accidentally admitting that they knew better.

Is there any other sport that features teams stubbornly f***ing themselves over just to spite their own fans? There's Rutherford, there's the whole MacDonald thing (and basically every single bad acquisition), there's Edmonton's existence in general.

Rutherford is hilarious. The man ALWAYS gets his guy. If he's rumored to be in on a player, he will acquire that player. Carolina was in on Liles back when he was still with Colorado. He wound up going to the Leafs, but three years later JR trades Tim Gleason to acquire him. (Side note: Gleason played half a season with the Leafs, was bought out and immediately signed again by Rutherford. Gleason was also one of the players JR acquired when he traded JMFJ to the Kings).

But yeah, JMFJ refuses to sign with Carolina, gets traded. JR waits 12 years and eventually is able to sign his guy with a different team.

JR. ALWAYS. GETS. HIS. GUY.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Rutherford is hilarious. The man ALWAYS gets his guy. If he's rumored to be in on a player, he will acquire that player. Carolina was in on Liles back when he was still with Colorado. He wound up going to the Leafs, but three years later JR trades Tim Gleason to acquire him. (Side note: Gleason played half a season with the Leafs, was bought out and immediately signed again by Rutherford. Gleason was also one of the players JR acquired when he traded JMFJ to the Kings).

But yeah, JMFJ refuses to sign with Carolina, gets traded. JR waits 12 years and eventually is able to sign his guy with a different team.

JR. ALWAYS. GETS. HIS. GUY.

This is amazing. Borderline obsessive.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

This is amazing. Borderline obsessive.

Wait till I get going!

He also loves recycling players, as I touched on above.

The summer after Carolina won the cup, he trades Vasicek for Scott Walker. Six months later he trades Eric Belanger (The other player he acquired in the JMFJ trade, btw) to get Vasicek back.

He acquired Joe Corvo THREE TIMES. JOE CORVO. He traded Corey Stillman and Mike Commodore for Corvo and Patrick Eaves. (Side note: he reacquired Stillman three years later in a deadline deal). Eventually Corvo is traded to Washington in a deal at the deadline. Re-signed by JR that offseason on a two year deal. He played one year of that deal and was traded to Boston. He played the year with Boston and was re-signed by JR that offseason.

Erik Cole was traded to Edmonton for Philly legend Joni Pitkanen one offseason. That trade deadline JR facilitates a three way deal that sends Philly legend Justin Williams to the Kings, Patrick O'Sullivan to Edmonton, and brings Cole back to the Canes. (Side note: O'Sullivan was signed as an UFA the following offseason).

He traded for Anton Babchuk who went to Russia twice and returned to sign a new contract with Carolina both times.

He signed Matt Cullen to a one year deal when we won the cup. Cullen walked in free agency, signed with the Rangers, played one season with them and was reacquired by JR the next offseason. Five years later JR was the Penguins GM and signed him there.

In 2007 he drafted Brandon Sutter in the first round, and in the few years following that, he drafted or traded for 2-3 more Sutters.

Having already acquired Jared Staal from the Coyotes, he picked up Jordan Staal from the Penguins, and at the end of that season called up Jared from the AHL just so the three brothers could get announced as the starting lineup in a couple of meaningless games in a lost season. (Side note: Jared wound up playing hockey professionally in Scotland, couldn't hack it there and is now retired as far as I can tell)

I typed all this up just so you people can appreciate what I mean when I say JR ALWAYS GETS HIS GUY

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Wait till I get going!

He also loves recycling players, as I touched on above.

The summer after Carolina won the cup, he trades Vasicek for Scott Walker. Six months later he trades Eric Belanger (The other player he acquired in the JMFJ trade, btw) to get Vasicek back.

He acquired Joe Corvo THREE TIMES. JOE CORVO. He traded Corey Stillman and Mike Commodore for Corvo and Patrick Eaves. (Side note: he reacquired Stillman three years later in a deadline deal). Eventually Corvo is traded to Washington in a deal at the deadline. Re-signed by JR that offseason on a two year deal. He played one year of that deal and was traded to Boston. He played the year with Boston and was re-signed by JR that offseason.

Erik Cole was traded to Edmonton for Philly legend Joni Pitkanen one offseason. That trade deadline JR facilitates a three way deal that sends Philly legend Justin Williams to the Kings, Patrick O'Sullivan to Edmonton, and brings Cole back to the Canes. (Side note: O'Sullivan was signed as an UFA the following offseason).

He traded for Anton Babchuk who went to Russia twice and returned to sign a new contract with Carolina both times.

He signed Matt Cullen to a one year deal when we won the cup. Cullen walked in free agency, signed with the Rangers, played one season with them and was reacquired by JR the next offseason. Five years later JR was the Penguins GM and signed him there.

In 2007 he drafted Brandon Sutter in the first round, and in the few years following that, he drafted or traded for 2-3 more Sutters.

Having already acquired Jared Staal from the Coyotes, he picked up Jordan Staal from the Penguins, and at the end of that season called up Jared from the AHL just so the three brothers could get announced as the starting lineup in a couple of meaningless games in a lost season. (Side note: Jared wound up playing hockey professionally in Scotland, couldn't hack it there and is now retired as far as I can tell)

I typed all this up just so you people can appreciate what I mean when I say JR ALWAYS GETS HIS GUY

This is one of the best posts ever.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

I have never seen a too many men call when there was actually only 4 guys on the ice.

Man, is that some awful reffing.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

This game is just so awful to watch.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

This is one of the best posts ever.

Just know it’s nowhere near comprehensive.

I forgot about JR bringing back Aaron Ward during the 2009 offseason for ‘toughness and experience’. (side note: the canes defeated the Bruins/Ward in game 7 overtime in 2009. During the series Ward was on the ice for an overtime goal against in game 3 and got his lights punched out by Scott walker in game 6). I also forgot about him picking up Thomas Kaberle a couple years after his brother Frantisek moved on from the team.

And I didn’t even get into the guys who had a good game or shift against Carolina and were afterwords (Tim Brent, Steve Goertzen, and like 1/4 of the 06 Edmonton Oilers-Samsonov/Dvorak/Bergeron/Spacek/Raffi Torres on a PTO)

That’s also not even touching him identifying a player to pick up them paying way too much to do so. His first ever trade as the gm of the Whalers way back in the day was three first round picks for glen wesley (side note: one of those picks wound up being Samsonov, it all loops back in on itself, man).

 

[Chinatown88]

Tom Wilson smh my head.

 

[orangecrush8]

Wilson again.

 

[orangecrush8]

Tom Wilson smh my head.

I don’t even blame him at this point. The league has shown him time and time again he can do whatever he wants.