Miscellaneous NHL Discussion XCVI: Third Round (Poll in OP)

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On third thought, my pick to win the Cup is...


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Vegas is being coached by a guy Boston let go b/c their players didn't like him and then went belly up in the 1st rd.
Vegas leads the league in blocked shots.
So obviously a guy who's tough on his players and believes in Dino hockey can't coach in the modern NHL.
 
Vegas is being coached by a guy Boston let go b/c their players didn't like him and then went belly up in the 1st rd.
Vegas leads the league in blocked shots.
So obviously a guy who's tough on his players and believes in Dino hockey can't coach in the modern NHL.

Weird, I have no memory of Cassidy railing against offense, belittling it and bragging about not understanding it, and coaching to minimize it. I wonder if that's relevant? Perhaps more relevant than shot blocking?

Maybe...just maybe....Cassidy and Tortorella aren't all that comparable in terms of actual on-ice thingies.
 
How come every single thread is now about John Tortorella?
The Torts hates offense drum has really been beaten to death by now. Beef, everyone understands that you despise Torts. Notes taken. Quotes filed. Maybe just let it go for now...?
 
How come every single thread is now about John Tortorella?
The Torts hates offense drum has really been beaten to death by now. Beef, everyone understands that you despise Torts. Notes taken. Quotes filed. Maybe just let it go for now...?
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Way more interesting question for me would be why is every thread hijacked by implied or straight up voiced "ahhctuallly tortorella/fletcher/anyone is not that bad because I have this confirmation bias thingy" - rather than mumbling why are people calling it out

But hey thats just me.
 
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He vented about being unable to oversee a rebuild, instead having to manage a retooling, and said FSG didn’t know hockey like he and Pryor did.

Fissures grew over each man’s vision for what the Penguins needed — Sullivan wanted trades. Hextall wanted to let things play out.


It is remarkable how closely history repeated itself. Hextall managed to learn absolutely nothing after flopping here. And Pittsburgh got exactly what they hired. I'd love to know where Hextall lands next. Someone is bound to recycle him.
 
He vented about being unable to oversee a rebuild, instead having to manage a retooling, and said FSG didn’t know hockey like he and Pryor did.

Fissures grew over each man’s vision for what the Penguins needed — Sullivan wanted trades. Hextall wanted to let things play out.


It is remarkable how closely history repeated itself. Hextall managed to learn absolutely nothing after flopping here. And Pittsburgh got exactly what they hired. I'd love to know where Hextall lands next. Someone is bound to recycle him.

Wanting to oversee a rebuild? Hextall + TML could be a show of the decade
 
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He vented about being unable to oversee a rebuild, instead having to manage a retooling, and said FSG didn’t know hockey like he and Pryor did.

Fissures grew over each man’s vision for what the Penguins needed — Sullivan wanted trades. Hextall wanted to let things play out.


It is remarkable how closely history repeated itself. Hextall managed to learn absolutely nothing after flopping here. And Pittsburgh got exactly what they hired. I'd love to know where Hextall lands next. Someone is bound to recycle him.
In fairness to Hextall, exactly who was he going to trade off of that roster that was going to bring back a return that would change the direction of that club? In order to get you have to give and the Penguins bank account was nil. It was/is a bad roster that is far from it's prime.
 
In fairness to Hextall, exactly who was he going to trade off of that roster that was going to bring back a return that would change the direction of that club? In order to get you have to give and the Penguins bank account was nil. It was/is a bad roster that is far from it's prime.

Well Hextall was the one who brought in the likes of Carter and Granlund, and resigned Kapanen, so he was partially responsible for cap allocation and roster choices.

"Sullivan wanted trades. Hextall wanted to let things play out." is just so predictable for Hextall. Of course Hextall wanted to do nothing, that has been his entire strategy for the last decade. He wants a cushy no-show job where he can convince himself he's the smartest guy in the room.
 
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Well Hextall was the one who brought in the likes of Carter and Granlund, and resigned Kapanen, so he was partially responsible for cap allocation and roster choices.

"Sullivan wanted trades. Hextall wanted to let things play out." is just so predictable for Hextall. Of course Hextall wanted to do nothing, that has been his entire strategy for the last decade. He wants a cushy no-show job where he can convince himself he's the smartest guy in the room.
The penguins got what they could obtain-an overpaid Granlund and over the hill Carter. Crosby, Malkin and Letang cost money then Guentzel had to get paid. That left the till almost empty. Injuries mattered with Malkin and Letang. They were the guys to move in a re-tool but no sensible franchise would take them on with their health issues and sizable contracts.
 
The problems in Philly go go back to 2011-12.
Neither Holmgren, Hextall or Fletcher could add talent on the margins.
All drafted just good enough to keep the team mediocre.
We're seeing in Pittsburgh the same rot we've seen here.

I can see Sullivan getting canned in a year or two and coming to Philly as the heir apparent to Torts.
 
I can see Sullivan getting canned in a year or two and coming to Philly as the heir apparent to Torts.
If Dubas takes on the Penguins job, I can see him bringing Keefe along with him and replacing Sullivan. Then Sullivan working with Tortorella.
That Dubas-Shanahan thing in Toronto is looking more like Shanny wanted to break up the core four and make a change in coaching where Dubas wanted to maintain the status quo.
 
So they’re mad at Hextall for wanting to break up the Big Three, when he and Burke were hired by their President under the condition of doing exactly that? And he also didn’t even end up doing it.

As far as the trade during a team dinner goes, do they expect management to tailor their trades around the players extracurricular schedules?

 
He vented about being unable to oversee a rebuild, instead having to manage a retooling, and said FSG didn’t know hockey like he and Pryor did.

Fissures grew over each man’s vision for what the Penguins needed — Sullivan wanted trades. Hextall wanted to let things play out.


It is remarkable how closely history repeated itself. Hextall managed to learn absolutely nothing after flopping here. And Pittsburgh got exactly what they hired. I'd love to know where Hextall lands next. Someone is bound to recycle him.

Hextall is a guy you hire to trade all your stuff, then you fire him once he's maximized value in return. Don't let him oversee any part of player development or he'll ruin the coming rebuild.
 
Hextall is a guy you hire to trade all your stuff, then you fire him once he's maximized value in return.
Yeah. He did an amazing job with trades, fantastic with cap management, and a very good job at drafting, but the pro evaluations and hirings were the disaster that sunk him here.

Plus, he didn’t worship our worthless asshole alumni, which was his worst crime in the orgs eyes.
 
Yeah. He did an amazing job with trades, fantastic with cap management, and a very good job at drafting, but the pro evaluations and hirings were the disaster that sunk him here.

Plus, he didn’t worship our worthless asshole alumni, which was his worst crime in the orgs eyes.

His player development priorities and program, still in place and worse than ever, are disastrous too. That's one thing the team adored. Hell, they adored basically everything he did as GM. They just couldn't stand that he wasn't taking their advice or making Clarke feel like a special little boy.
 
His player development priorities and program, still in place and worse than ever, are disastrous too. That's one thing the team adored. Hell, they adored basically everything he did as GM. They just couldn't stand that he wasn't taking their advice or making Clarke feel like a special little boy.
And they even liked Hakstol until he demanded an answer on his future from them.

Looks like after firing Hextall the Flyers have abandoned every single good thing he did (pick hoarding, drafting the right types of players, making smart trades and re-signings) and kept around (and amplified) every single bad thing, which is why everything has gotten so much worse since that point. Mindblowing incompetence.
 
How come every single thread is now about John Tortorella?
The Torts hates offense drum has really been beaten to death by now. Beef, everyone understands that you despise Torts. Notes taken. Quotes filed. Maybe just let it go for now...?

He kills every thread.
 
Yeah, Mike Sullivan, who has won more cups than Torts in less than half of the amount of seasons as a head coach, is going to accept being Torts heir apparent for a year or two. He definitely won't receive any offers better than that across the league :sarcasm:
He's a Torts' protege, the two are close, and he might want a year off.
The Flyers are rebuilding, Sullivan knows the focus will be on building the kind of team he'd want to coach.
Torts probably won't coach past this contract, Sullivan might like to help build a team he'd then run.

Sullivan signed a 3 year extension under Hextall (ends the same time as Torts), so it's unlikely the Pens can him right away, and he could spend a year or two as an advisor making his full salary if they do dump him down the road.

Sure he can get "a" job, but at this point in his career he can pick and choose his next spot, he doesn't have to rush into anything, and I don't think he's a "turnaround" type, he might prefer a rebuilding situation where he'd have a team he'd enjoy coaching.
 
How come every single thread is now about John Tortorella?
The Torts hates offense drum has really been beaten to death by now. Beef, everyone understands that you despise Torts. Notes taken. Quotes filed. Maybe just let it go for now...?
Probably because some old timer contrarians feel the need to keep propping up the team's dinosaur coach, desperately trying to keep their outdated worldview relevant despite the fact most people don't really care what they think.
 
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