Miscellaneous NHL Discussion XCV: Second Round

[renberg]

Loved a comment by a Hans fan- “The Toronto Cottonelles”.

 

[DancingPanther]

I don’t get it. He’s correct.

Targeting this year's 1st was the right move at the time. Today's situation is mutually exclusive from the situation at the time. Its lucky that incorrect Fletcher evaluation #2000 worked out, and nothing more. (presumably, since the Panthers could win the Cup next year)

 

[Flyerfan4life]

the gift that keeps on giving..

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Well, i'm thinking that a 2024 pick wouldn't be in the NHL until 2027. I expect Torts to GM, President, and possible Comcast CEO by that point.

#maximumpain

 

[Magua]

I don’t get it. He’s correct.

If the ~29th overall pick this year becomes a star and the ~20th overall pick next year is a bust, will Tony and Co. then have to be the quiet ones? It's the same logic. It has nothing to do with trade day value or the decision making process. "Shit happening" isn't my idea of a methodology or a one-upping. If the Flyers had the 2023 pick, and it ended up lower, it would've been the right choice, result be damned.

 

[GKJ]

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Targeting this year's 1st was the right move at the time. Today's situation is mutually exclusive from the situation at the time. Its lucky that incorrect Fletcher evaluation #2000 worked out, and nothing more. (presumably, since the Panthers could win the Cup next year)

It wasn’t available to him. Unless Fletcher could somehow orchestrate that nobody trade a defenseman to the Panthers before he complete the Giroux trade - which he also did not have control over.

Any any rate, they got a 25-goal scorer for 28 games of Giroux, that is objectively good. He was lucky, yes, but it’s not giving him more credit than he deserves to say the best trade he made in his whole tenure was the one he had no leverage over. Sometimes the toddler who pisses and shits everywhere finds the toilet.

 

[GKJ]

If the ~29th overall pick this year becomes a star and the ~19th overall pick next year is a bust, will Tony and Co. have to stay awfully quiet? It's the same logic.

I get that part but the fact you get Tippett who has shown he’s not a 4A player makes it far more palatable. But you are right, it assumes the pick this year was ever available to Fletcher, which it wasn’t.

 

[DancingPanther]

I get that part but the fact you get Tippett who has shown he’s not a 4A player makes it far more palatable. But you are right, it assumes the pick this year was ever available to Fletcher, which it wasn’t.

Why are you assuming it wasn't? I can't assume things but you can?

 

[Beef Invictus]

It wasn’t available to him. Unless Fletcher could somehow orchestrate that nobody trade a defenseman to the Panthers before he complete the Giroux trade - which he also did not have control over.

Any any rate, they got a 25-goal scorer for 28 games of Giroux, that is objectively good. He was lucky, yes, but it’s not giving him more credit than he deserves to say the best trade he made in his whole tenure was the one he had no leverage over. Sometimes the toddler who pisses and shits everywhere finds the toilet.

A first this year would have been available to him if he had worked with Giroux. But no, he had a mandate to ship him out.

 

[DancingPanther]

It wasn’t available to him. Unless Fletcher could somehow orchestrate that nobody trade a defenseman to the Panthers before he complete the Giroux trade - which he also did not have control over.

Any any rate, they got a 25-goal scorer for 28 games of Giroux, that is objectively good. He was lucky, yes, but it’s not giving him more credit than he deserves to say the best trade he made in his whole tenure was the one he had no leverage over. Sometimes the toddler who pisses and shits everywhere finds the toilet.

What?

And sure, Tippett makes it all better. When you ignore the fact the Fletcher is the reason he was bottlenecked to trade Florida 28 games of Giroux in the first place. These negotiations were, just like everything else Fletcher did, completely screwed up

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Florida had already traded the 23 first

 

[GKJ]

A first this year would have been available to him if he had worked with Giroux. But no, he had a mandate to ship him out.

It was Briere’s first task as assistant to the regional manager to convince Giroux that Florida didn’t want him and that he needed to open up his list.

Why are you assuming it wasn't? I can't assume things but you can?

What?

And sure, Tippett makes it all better. When you ignore the fact the Fletcher is the reason he was bottlenecked to trade Florida 28 games of Giroux in the first place. These negotiations were, just like everything else Fletcher did, completely screwed up

I think you’re assuming something was possible when it wasn’t, or at the very least, extremely unlikely. The pick was moved before Fletcher was even allowed to make the trade, and Florida was both aware of the situation, and didn’t covet Giroux. It doesn’t make Fletcher a secret genius because the trade has become a plus. It just is obscenely ironic that his almost unquestionably best trade was the one he was in the worst position on.

Believe Colorado did have this year’s pick on the table, and was said Fletcher preferred that deal. He did have to beg and plead like the beta bitch he is to Florida.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Dallas just hit big on guys like Robertson & Hintz given where they were drafted. You got a star & a first line caliber player respectively out of those with investing two second round picks.

Johnston looks like another well above average result compared to where picked too.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Eberle on the PP
2-1 Kraken

 

[Beef Invictus]

It was Briere’s first task as assistant to the regional manager to convince Giroux that Florida didn’t want him and that he needed to open up his list.





I think you’re assuming something was possible when it wasn’t, or at the very least, extremely unlikely. The pick was moved before Fletcher was even allowed to make the trade, and Florida was both aware of the situation, and didn’t covet Giroux. It doesn’t make Fletcher a secret genius because the trade has become a plus. It just is obscenely ironic that his almost unquestionably best trade was the one he was in the worst position on.

Believe Colorado did have this year’s pick on the table, and was said Fletcher preferred that deal. He did have to beg and plead like the beta bitch he is to Florida.

Giroux gave his conditions, which were a favor to the team, and the team insisted on f***ing itself over. The Flyers have a long history of screwing themselves to spite a player.

 

[GKJ]

Giroux gave his conditions, which were a favor to the team, and the team insisted on f***ing itself over. The Flyers have a long history of screwing themselves to spite a player.

While I’m sure there was a mandate, the reporting seemed to be that Giroux specifically didn’t like Fletcher.

 

[renberg]

It wasn’t available to him. Unless Fletcher could somehow orchestrate that nobody trade a defenseman to the Panthers before he complete the Giroux trade - which he also did not have control over.

Any any rate, they got a 25-goal scorer for 28 games of Giroux, that is objectively good. He was lucky, yes, but it’s not giving him more credit than he deserves to say the best trade he made in his whole tenure was the one he had no leverage over. Sometimes the toddler who pisses and shits everywhere finds the toilet.

As good as Tippett played for the Flyers this season, he probably wouldn’t have broken into the Panthers top six. So for Florida swapping out a spare winger+ for Giroux still made/makes sense.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Sweet passing leads to a Kraken goal

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

All Kraken

 

[BiggE]

While I’m sure there was a mandate, the reporting seemed to be that Giroux specifically didn’t like Fletcher.

That makes me love G even more. Imagine being the long time captain of an NHL team and that team brings in Kevin Hayes (and all his buds) to be the “face” of tbe franchise.

Kevin f***ing Hayes

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Pavelski is so good

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Wedgewood coming up big

 

[TCTC]

Would love a Seattle/Vegas conference final. Would be a nice role reversal for Vegas 5 years after making it to the final as the likeable underdog now facing the new likeable underdog.

 

[DancingPanther]

Would love a Seattle/Vegas conference final. Would be a nice role reversal for Vegas 5 years after making it to the final as the likeable underdog now facing the new likeable underdog.

This is how you make the list. Unbelievable

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I love Matty Berniers