NHL Talk Miscellaneous NHL Discussion CIX: Processing a Tremendous Amount of Insane Information

[Magua]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1849906966623060265

@FLYguy3911 @landsbergfan

 

[GKJ]

Oilers might put 60 shots on the penguins

 

[deadhead]

Flyer fans love to whine, but imagine if you're a Preds fan.
99 points last year, so they add Stamkos, Marchessault and Skjei.

1-5-2 (beat the Blackhawks 3-2)
Forsberg (30) 4x8.5
Stamkos (34) 4x8
Marchessault (33) 4x5.5
ROR (33) 3x4.5
Josi (34) 4x9
Skjei (30) 4x7
L Schenn (34) 2x2.75
Saros (29) 8x7.75 starting at age 30
$8.8M retained next season, $3.6M in 2026 and 2027

They do have (3) 1st rd picks in 2025 and (2) 2nd rd picks
But how do you move those veteran contracts?

 

[FLYguy3911]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1850219592909533675

 

[BringBackHakstol]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1850219592909533675

Flyers off-season plan foiled

 

[pit]

I always love being told, in a 32 team league, that we should feel better as a fanbase because someone has screwed up somewhere in the vicinity of where we have, especially when using a small sample size to boost the proof. Makes me feel much better about my favourite team being a floater in the toilet for so long.

 

[Beef Invictus]

A classic "ok you can't do that, but good for you doing it" situation

 

[Beef Invictus]

Could argue it started the chain of events that cost us drafting Buium too (we don't need Buium, we already have Drysdale!)

Worst Flyers trade of the last 2 decades when you account for the ripples it caused, pretty easily.

If I have time I bet I can tie it all back to the consequences of signing Leighton as starter in 2010 offseason

 

[GKJ]

The worst ripple effect trade of this century was trading a 1st round pick for Steve Eminger, allowing the Capitals to draft John Carlson, a hall of fame right handed defenseman that we were looking for. If anyone is still here from that day, that was 10x as visceral as passing on Buium. They later went all in to Pronger and after he got hurt, are still chasing that one.

 

[sigma six]

The worst ripple effect trade of this century was trading a 1st round pick for Steve Eminger, allowing the Capitals to draft John Carlson, a hall of fame right handed defenseman that we were looking for. If anyone is still here from that day, that was 10x as visceral as passing on Buium. They later went all in to Pronger and after he got hurt, are still chasing that one.

Hated that immediately and yelled at the tv, especially when a rival drafted the guy I wanted with the very next pick. Just awful.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

Phil Myers making his Leafs debut tonight.

 

[GKJ]

Hated that immediately and yelled at the tv, especially when a rival drafted the guy I wanted with the very next pick. Just awful.

Caps were going to not qualify Eminger too. They could've had him for nothing a week later. But Holmgren hated working in the open market.

 

[sabremike]

I always love being told, in a 32 team league, that we should feel better as a fanbase because someone has screwed up somewhere in the vicinity of where we have, especially when using a small sample size to boost the proof. Makes me feel much better about my favourite team being a floater in the toilet for so long.

Reminds me of something Ole Anderson once told Jim Cornette: "Jim, I used to think you were a dumb f*** but so many other dumb f***s have come along since that you moved up the ladder without even trying."

 

[CutOnDime97]

Didn't realize this was happening. Musty won't report to Sudbury after requesting a trade from them. Gonna hurt his WJC chances if he doesn't start playing some hockey soon.

Mike Grier Wants Quentin Musty-Sudbury Wolves Impasse Resolved

Quentin Musty hasn’t played a game in over three weeks, and Mike Grier wants that to change. The San Jose Sharks re-assigned Musty back to the Sudbury Wolves on Sept. 30. The No. 26 pick of the 2023 Draft had enjoyed a banner season with the Wolves last year, totaling 102 points in just 53 […]

sanjosehockeynow.com

 

[BigToe]

I love it. Vegas does the same thing

 

[CutOnDime97]

Nice one timer by Giroux to give the Sens a chance late vs the Avs

 

[PK16]

Nice one timer by Giroux to give the Sens a chance late vs the Avs

Both his goals were nice shots

 

[ybnvs]

Sanheim made it clear he prefers the right side, once he got used to it.
Some players prefer their off side (Giroux for example).

"Sanheim has said that the switch has helped him see the ice better in the offensive zone."

Saying he sees the offensive zone better does not equate to a preference to the right side. Everyone sees the offensive zone better on their off-side. No shit. That's some Introduction To Hockey 101 level crap.

He's playing RD because the Flyers have no first or second pair RD. The ones they have are 3rd pair or worse. Remember how they threw York out on RD his first year, clearly out of absolute desperation? This was before Sanheim was ever tried at RD.

Sanheim is and always was a LD.

 

[deadhead]

Saying he sees the offensive zone better does not equate to a preference to the right side. Everyone sees the offensive zone better on their off-side. No shit. That's some Introduction To Hockey 101 level crap.

He's playing RD because the Flyers have no first or second pair RD. The ones they have are 3rd pair or worse. Remember how they threw York out on RD his first year, clearly out of absolute desperation? This was before Sanheim was ever tried at RD.

Sanheim is and always was a LD.

That's a blanket statement and a false one.
There are players who are more comfortable on their "stick" side.
And a few who are more comfortable on their opposite side, Giroux, Michkov.

One reason you shuffle lines and pairs is to see who is one side dominant and who is comfortable playing both sides.

Sanheim has played better the last two seasons on his right side, that goal last night was an example how he's learned to use that to his advantage. Doesn't mean he can't play well on the left side, but to say he's a LHD is simply wrong.

 

[freakydallas13]

Sanheim has played better the last two seasons on his right side, that goal last night was an example how he's learned to use that to his advantage. Doesn't mean he can't play well on the left side, but to say he's a LHD is simply wrong.

Sanheim hasn't played on the left the last 2 seasons? Or am I forgetting something.

 

[ybnvs]

That's a blanket statement and a false one.

A blanket statement which blankets a large majority of players from youth hockey to the NHL. Yes there are players who break that mold; you listed Giroux and Michkov. Those guys are also all-stars and elite players in the league, not your average or even above average player.

One reason you shuffle lines and pairs is to see who is one side dominant and who is comfortable playing both sides.

Yep. This is SOP for hockey.

Sanheim has played better the last two seasons on his right side, that goal last night was an example how he's learned to use that to his advantage. Doesn't mean he can't play well on the left side, but to say he's a LHD is simply wrong.

He's playing with the best partner he has ever had in his career. Is it strange to you we see a better version of Sanheim when he is routinely paired with a more talented defender, and not being shuffled around with Manning, MacDonald, Risto, Seeler on his off-side, etc...? I don't think the York-Sanheim is a good idea long term, but they are out of options (have no options) and so are playing their two best defensemen (who are 2nd pairing) on the top pair and that makes sense.

 

[Curufinwe]

Sanheim handles the off side better than York, who was forced to play the right side with Provorov because Provorov was a selfish Prick.

 

[deadhead]

A blanket statement which blankets a large majority of players from youth hockey to the NHL. Yes there are players who break that mold; you listed Giroux and Michkov. Those guys are also all-stars and elite players in the league, not your average or even above average player.



Yep. This is SOP for hockey.



He's playing with the best partner he has ever had in his career. Is it strange to you we see a better version of Sanheim when he is routinely paired with a more talented defender, and not being shuffled around with Manning, MacDonald, Risto, Seeler on his off-side, etc...? I don't think the York-Sanheim is a good idea long term, but they are out of options (have no options) and so are playing their two best defensemen (who are 2nd pairing) on the top pair and that makes sense.

Sanheim played well with Braun on his right side.
He's playing well right now with Risto.

2020-21 Sanheim - Myers 383 minutes xGF 49.60%, HDCF 45.18%
2020-21 Sanheim - Braun 177 xGF 54.74%, HDCF 54.40%
2020-21 Sanheim - Provorov 152 xGF 53.08%, HDCF 52.32%
2021-22 Sanheim - Risto 981 xGF 47.47%, HDCF 46.54%
2021-22 Sanheim - Provorov 157 xGF 44.79%, HDCF 48.50%
2022-23 Sanheim - Risto 432 xGF 43.65%, HDCF 45.62%
2022-23 Sanheim - Braun 332 xGF 51.10%, HDCF 49.32%
2022-23 Sanheim - TDA 331 xGF 39.58%, HDCF 37.47%
2023-24 Sanheim - York 1050 xGF 49.70%, HDCF 50.25%

Think the difference is with 3 more years of experience, he doesn't need to be protected by his partner. Experience matters for D-man.

The pairing with Myers was rough, b/c Myers was so mistake prone.

Which is why they have Seeler with Drysdale, you wouldn't want to inflict Drysdale on say Andrae.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Sanheim has always carried his partners. Not vice versa. He's spent his whole career carrying whoever he is with.

 

[Curufinwe]

He didn’t get a properly good regular partner till last season, which was his 6th.