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Some on the Caps board do not appreciate my Flyers fan-brand pessimism after watching Hershey choke away a 3-0 series lead.
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It remains insane that this slob is untouchable across numerous regimes.
The fact that he keeps surviving is the surest sign nothing has changed.
LegionOfDoom91
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I’m convinced the NHL people just don’t know how to build a website like that given how awful their app/website is.
LegionOfDoom91
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@JojoTheWhale it’s kind of wild how the NHL is willingly telling Friedman this information completely unaware of how inept it makes the entire league look.
It’s probably safe to say more than half the league don’t have an in house database on contract information. What other major sport is like that?
It’s sounds like the teams don’t really know where the find people to hire to potentially create these databases but it also sounds the NHL doesn’t really have much of a database themselves which makes it harder to obtain this information.
renberg
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Hockey is a great sport. The people who run it are, on the most part, a bunch of tone deaf fools. They don’t want things out there that build interest in the game such as capgeek. Then they throw money away trying to float owners in bad standing in Arizona and other places. It’s a clown show. Other sports franchises see their values go through the roof and the NHL chugs along like the little train that could trailing in their dust. TPTB do almost everything they can to blow any opportunity to succeed.
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Why the f*** would the NHL frown on websites that help fan engagement? I swear this league is actually moving backwards.
JojoTheWhale
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It’s one of the sports where the cap numbers and machinations matter the most too. Between it being a hard cap and the way LTIR works/accrues, there are huge benefits to this. It’s not the NBA where you give your stars the max and then have exceptions that write most of the contract for you.
I don’t know what details went public, but the league hired a New York vendor to start modernizing some systems. I don’t know which ones, but it sure sounds like a cap resource wasn’t among them. That was last summer. That’s more than a year after the Dadonov disaster. They really are that incompetent.
Old boys club and old rich white people who want everything controlled on their end so it benefits only them.
Love hockey, but there are so many people who have no f***ing clue what the public wants or likes and doesn't care to know either. f*** them. They make this sport worse every single second they have power.
Flyerfan4life
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"we want the game to return to a honest old school hockey"
signed Dino's everywere
stats are for nerds
LegionOfDoom91
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If Bettman & the NHL owners ran the MLS they would just willingly accept their place in the soccer world & wouldn’t try to modernize/grow their league.
The MLS despite disadvantages beyond their control is probably going to a surpass the NHL in the coming decades at their current rates.
I think in some cases Bettman gets too much shit for things that are probably more so on the owners than him who ultimately have final say. But Bettman is another 70+ year old out of touch man who’s been there since the early 90’s he’s not bringing any new ideas to push to owners about trying to modernize/grow the game either. He’s very much inside the bubble too.
ponder719
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If they want us to stop caring about the cap, do away with it. Otherwise, give us the tools we need to know what is and isn't realistic for our team, you arrogant f***heads.
Flyerfan4life
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inB4 "are you a dentist?, if not you cant possibly know more then someone inside the room"
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Because it'll help keep player salaries down going forward. Right now, Cap friendly makes it very easy to figure out salaries and player comparables, and by shutting it down, the league is going to force agents to spend time and money doing it themselves, time which used to be spent on negotiating on behalf of their clients.
It's anti-competitive behavior and is going to be on the list of reasons why the players strike yet again when the current CBA runs out
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If anything they're probably thinking incompetent stuff like Dadonov can be better hidden. All about protecting the club.
Beef Invictus
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They'll just use Sportrac. Or the next CF which someone might get up and running even before FA.
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There's this
puckpedia.com
Philadelphia Flyers Contracts, Cap Hits and Salary Cap | Puckpedia
See the cap space, latest contracts, injury news, and transactions for the Philadelphia Flyers including salaries, cap hits, buyouts and draft picks on PuckPedia.
LegionOfDoom91
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I don’t think it’s some giant secrecy thing within the industry. As Bob McKenzie said back when capgeek went he could get the info from the league which ultimately before that came about but it was a drawn out process opposed to just going on the internet & pulling it up himself.
But even more than having an easy to read spreadsheet with all the contract information for everybody. The tools those websites have are just as much valuable. Capfriendly’s website automatically accounts for the daily cap space each team has throughout the season with a built in counter to the site. Otherwise you’d have to account for that manually. Shit like that is just as valuable.
I think the issue isn’t just as much as someone good with numbers. It’s just as much as finding someone that can create these databases with all the bells & whistles too. I don’t think the NHL as a whole really knows where to find these people at currently given that apparently most of the league was using capfriendly themselves.
We make fun of Fletcher for the trade app quote & it was at the worst time. But tools like them have a lot of value & other sports legitimately use stuff like that which are easier to use/compile data. Analytics were a lot more kind to JvR than traditional scouting so that app probably did paint a picture that JvR was better/more valuable than public perception. The issue he tried to act like that app had an relevance into the way other NHL front offices think as most aren’t analytically driven really much at all.
That person/people might have some leverage with NHL teams right now. I forget the name of the site that popped up when capgeek went but it was short lived. The creator of it got hired by the Blackhawks & still is there today.
But even more than having an easy to read spreadsheet with all the contract information for everybody. The tools those websites have are just as much valuable. Capfriendly’s website automatically accounts for the daily cap space each team has throughout the season with a built in counter to the site. Otherwise you’d have to account for that manually. Shit like that is just as valuable.
I think the issue isn’t just as much as someone good with numbers. It’s just as much as finding someone that can create these databases with all the bells & whistles too. I don’t think the NHL as a whole really knows where to find these people at currently given that apparently most of the league was using capfriendly themselves.
We make fun of Fletcher for the trade app quote & it was at the worst time. But tools like them have a lot of value & other sports legitimately use stuff like that which are easier to use/compile data. Analytics were a lot more kind to JvR than traditional scouting so that app probably did paint a picture that JvR was better/more valuable than public perception. The issue he tried to act like that app had an relevance into the way other NHL front offices think as most aren’t analytically driven really much at all.
There's this
Philadelphia Flyers Contracts, Cap Hits and Salary Cap | Puckpedia
See the cap space, latest contracts, injury news, and transactions for the Philadelphia Flyers including salaries, cap hits, buyouts and draft picks on PuckPedia.
That person/people might have some leverage with NHL teams right now. I forget the name of the site that popped up when capgeek went but it was short lived. The creator of it got hired by the Blackhawks & still is there today.
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FLYguy3911
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I liked CapFriendly best for tracking draft picks.
Hollywood Cannon
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You all mocked Dan Silver for his excel sheet cap calculations but who is laughing now?!?
CerpinTaxt
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We are at Dan Silver for a myriad of other reasons
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freakydallas13
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If teams like the Flyers were relying on CapFriendly for their business needs, then Washington buying it gives them an advantage and gives teams like the Flyers a disadvantage. I don't blame them one bit for buying the website, it's the kind of thing I wish the Flyers would spend money on. Off ice things that you can use your capital on to gain an advantage over less affluent teams.
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Do we even think Hanrahan can use a pc? Or did he just hire someone's family member for their unique ability to read the capfriendly and write the info down on piece of paper for him.
BernieParent
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That man screams Rolodex.
BackToTheBrierePatch
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As someone who is in a deep keeper, salary cap fantasy hockey league this news sucks. Hopefully something else comes along because capfriendly was a useful tool
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