Mirtle: End is near for Hyman in Toronto

[AllDay28]

Hyman comes from money. Rich kid from Thornhill. Apparently his family got tboned and he sued or some stupid commercial I hear on the radio. If he wants to stay he can take a cut. He doesn’t like it then he can enjoy .. Columbus? Iunno where he goes.

 

[egd27]

I’m all for it, maybe if the Leafs are sucking bad by Thanksgiving we can get new management?

Well it would cement the 2021-22 excuse early and allow Larry plenty of time to compose his full page apology ad.

 

[rumman]

Hyman is worth around 4-4.5MM in my opinion. If he signs above that number, I'll be happy for bot him and the team. If he signs within that range, then the team dropped the ball.

If WN is worth 7, the Hyman’s worth 5.5..........perspective.........

 

[ITM]

As long as you have a plan as to how to accommodate that $11M cap hit without having to make unreasonable sacrifices.

"We can and we will" is not a plan, it's arrogance mixed with ignorance.

I think it's reasonable to assume that no team had a post-pandemic plan tucked away just in case...I think there was a plan and but for the pandemic, likely provided for any number of creative ways to meet our needs.

That said -- and I say this not knowing what the plan was -- relying on this tightrope approach is nutty. Organizations like Boston and Carolina scream trust between management and players and their club's bottom line.

 

[rumman]

Hyman comes from money. Rich kid from Thornhill. Apparently his family got tboned and he sued or some stupid commercial I hear on the radio. If he wants to stay he can take a cut. He doesn’t like it then he can enjoy .. Columbus? Iunno where he goes.

Nylander come from a wealthy family, did anyone see him take less?

 

[ITM]

If WN is worth 7, the Hyman’s worth 5.5..........perspective.........

I think Nylander could prove to be worth more than 7. If he just broke out in like value as his international numbers convey with his peers, yeah...Nylander's worth more and is going to be a real bright spot for this club.

Hyman's not worth more than $4M. And even then...So sick of the payday vibe of it all.

 

[rumman]

I think Nylander could prove to be worth more than 7. If he just broke out in like value as his international numbers convey with his peers, yeah...Nylander's worth more and is going to be a real bright spot for this club.

Hyman's not worth more than $4M. And even then...So sick of the payday vibe of it all.

No doubt WN has the talent to be impactful, he just doesn’t come close to it consistently, love or hate Hyman no one can question his effort level every single shift.

 

[mikeyz]

You’re not even a Leafs fan so you’re allowed to think what you like

Acknowledging that Dubas tenure has been a failure thus far here doesn't mean that I am not a Leafs fan. That's merely stating facts.

 

[AllDay28]

I think it's reasonable to assume that no team had a post-pandemic plan tucked away just in case...I think there was a plan and but for the pandemic, likely provided for any number of creative ways to meet our needs.

That said -- and I say this not knowing what the plan was -- relying on this tightrope approach is nutty. Organizations like Boston and Carolina scream trust between management and players and their club's bottom line.

Carolina has 0? Titles recently. Boston last won a title 10 years ago.

maybe use Tampa as an example… but they’re also 18 mil over the cap so they’re really walking a tightrope.

 

[Notsince67]

If WN is worth 7, the Hyman’s worth 5.5..........perspective.........

I think everyone of the big 4 is somewhat overpaid but in fairness, you are paying 7 for an improving Nylander while Hyman will be in decline. Imagining a 35 year old Hyman at 5.5 doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy. We have willy at the tail 3 years of his contract and he should perform at his cap hit, even if he didnt in the first 3.

 

[Mats13]

Imagine using the word haters...

The word I’d like to use would get my post removed

 

[rumman]

Acknowledging that Dubas tenure has been a failure thus far here doesn't mean that I am not a Leafs fan. That's merely stating facts.

It means for a fan of the team not the current cult status GM.

 

[killer1980]

 

[Mats13]

If WN is worth 7, the Hyman’s worth 5.5..........perspective.........

Not even remotely comparable players.

I wouldn’t pay Hyman half of what Nylander gets.

And before the grit, toughness and effort people come out, Nylander was miles better than Hyman when it mattered most.

 

[AllDay28]

ya brown left thanks to that horrendous contract Lou gave Zeitsev

kadri got traded for getting suspended twice in the playoffs. Doubt he will in Colorado (whoops)

 

[Superstar]

Carolina has 0? Titles recently. Boston last won a title 10 years ago.

maybe use Tampa as an example… but they’re also 18 mil over the cap so they’re really walking a tightrope.

You also have to look at the trend...the Leafs have regressed since Dubas took over...Leafs haven't gotten out of the 1st round 5 years straight...hard to have Cup aspirations if you can't even win a round.

 

[AllDay28]

You also have to look at the trend...the Leafs have regressed since Dubas took over...Leafs haven't gotten out of the 1st round 5 years straight...hard to have Cup aspirations if you can't even win a round.

how have they regressed when they won a division for the first time in 20 years? 112 points over 82 games pro rated

now when ppl go “they didn’t have Boston and Tampa!!” That’s fair. But they also didn’t have Buffalo and Detroit to beat up on. And as bad as the North was, not a single team was as bad as both of them.

 

[rocketman588]

Going to be very difficult to replace at his cap hit.

I very much hope that if we get rid of Riley it's for an upgrade at the blue line instead of an attempt to replace hyman

 

[Superstar]

how have they regressed when they won a division for the first time in 20 years? 112 points over 82 games. Do you even know what regression means?

You mean the all powerful North Division? And the 4th place team is actually ranked 18th in the league?

 

[WestCoastLeafs]

Over the past 3 seasons Hyman has averaged 28 goals/82, and roughly the same number of assists. Sounds like a 5-6M guy.

But let's take a closer look. When you factor in games missed over the past three years, you get a more realistic 22 goals per season, with 20 games missed due to injury. So injuries aren't just a future thing, they're already happening.

Let's keep looking. He's shooting 15.6% over that same period. That's an elite sniper shooting percentage. Give him a more realistic average to below-average shooting percentage, and you're looking at 10-15 goals a season. So how has he sustained the high shooting percentage? I'm going to say by playing with elite offensive players who can give him really good looks, as well as trash to clean up. And come to think of it, his assist total isn't that high given he's playing with two guys who finished in the top five.

I love Hyman. Would love to have him on the third line. Perfectly happy with him running shotgun on the top line, if you're spreading out your talent. But the team that pays him as if he's a legit 25g25a player is going to regret it. And not at the end of the contract, from the start of it.

 

[Jojalu]

The top 30 regular season top scorers are littered with all the best and well paid millionaires who apparently are worth the $$, of which Mark Stone remains the only one standing. Now they're all littering the golf courses during the Stanley Cup playoffs booking early tee times. Now is the time of the blue collar hard working players of which Hyman is one of them, so I wouldn't paint him with the team shortcomings of his high priced teammates, to claim he isn't worth even 1/2 their money in contract.

Speaking of goal scoring here is Zach Hyman goal production in comparison to his $11 mil line-mate for the past 2 season regular and playoffs.

Zach Hyman
2019-20 .... 51 games .. 21 goals & playoffs .. 5 games 1 goals.
2020-21 .....43 games ...15 goals & playoffs ...7 games 1 goals.

Total last 2 years = 94 games .. 36 regular season and 2 playoff goals.

Mitch Marner (@ $10.9 mil AAV)
2019-20 .... 59 games .. 16 goals & playoffs .. 5 games 0 goals.
2020-21 .....55 games ...20 goals & playoffs ...7 games 0 goals.

Total last 2 years = 114 games .. 36 regular season and 0 playoff goals.

Hard to believe a player that produces nearly identical goals (in less games played) isn't worth 1/2 the salary of $5-6 mil, because of only 2 playoff goals but the player in comparison making $10.9 mil that hasn't scored in 18 games spread out over 3 playoff years now is fine.

Maybe your asking the right question "what has he ever done in the playoffs playing top minutes?", but asking the wrong players ,when deciding financial worth to the team or somehow painting him with a different brush for similar results.

Perhaps since Leafs need more players like Hyman, then it would better to pay him his $5-6 mil for 36 goals, and bring in another player like him capable of another 30-36 for another $5-$6 mil and get rid of that top heavy guy making $11 mil if this is a cap issue and value to the team.

Great response.

 

[mikeyz]

how have they regressed when they won a division for the first time in 20 years? 112 points over 82 games. Do you even know what regression means?

now when ppl go “they didn’t have Boston and Tampa!!” That’s fair. But they also didn’t have Buffalo and Detroit to beat up on. And as bad as the North was, not a single team was as bad as both of them.

Montreal finished 18th in the league and they choked a 3-1 series lead to said team.

I would 100% call that regression.

 

[AllDay28]

You mean the all powerful North Division? And the 4th place team is actually ranked 18th in the league?

Ya? Wow the 4th place team is 18th??? As opposed to the 13-16th spot they should be? Wowzer you told me.

 

[AllDay28]

Montreal finished 18th in the league and they choked a 3-1 series lead.

I would 100% call that regression.

Ya cause you dunno what regression means.

Pittsburgh lost to the 22nd place Habs last year?

 

[Brobust]

Fixed

I don't think you can call them greedy until after you take a voluntary 10% paycut at your job.

The only issue, IMHO, is that Marner's agent decided to carry out a really nasty and public negotiation.

All this is ignoring the fact that 34, 16 and 88 have all met and surpassed expectations since signing their contracts.