JiricekSaveUs
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I don’t think it does. Sure, we place him on LTIR, we get 7.8 we can go over the cap, but we’re still hit with his 7.8 cap hit, so it’s a net savings of 0 I believe
Minnesota Wild General Discussion XIX
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7dayBender
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Would it save us money just this year? Since we would only be paying him ~30% of his salary, but we would get the full amount of LTIR to go over cap? I have no idea the whole concept that that would save us money doesn't make sense to me...
JiricekSaveUs
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It shouldn’t. Friedman and Russia seem to think it would help us extend Fiala, so maybe I’m misinterpreting LTIR.
Spurgeon
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The TB situation has probably caused them to interpret things incorrectly. It’s kind of an easy concept to get confused by because even I tricked myself into thinking it would work yesterday even though I was 99.99% sure it wouldn’t.
GuerinUp
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No i think the only way this would work is if it was in fact fiala that would get ltir'd through the regular season. Or you know, someone who will actually play on the team that makes his same amount.
For instance dumba (injury prone) could be ltir'd during season and come back to the playoffs and substituted with addison during the season.
For instance dumba (injury prone) could be ltir'd during season and come back to the playoffs and substituted with addison during the season.
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7dayBender
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“The Basic Equation can be used to calculate the ACSL during the NHL regular season as well as the offseason. It is as follows: ACSL= Salary cap upper limit- team cap space. So, to provide an example of how this would look, let’s say that a team has $1.5 million in cap space, and are about to place a player on the LTIR that has a $5 million contract. Given that the salary cap is $81.5 million, this would mean their ACSL is $80 million (ACSL=81.5-1.5=80). Once the team hits the $80 million mark, they will have an additional $5 million in LTIR relief. So, they can spend up to $85 million while that player is on the LTIR.“
Saw this on Capfriendly regarding the article. In theory it would give us an extra ~$3.5 mil in space a year without the cap increasing?
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“The Basic Equation can be used to calculate the ACSL during the NHL regular season as well as the offseason. It is as follows: ACSL= Salary cap upper limit- team cap space. So, to provide an example of how this would look, let’s say that a team has $1.5 million in cap space, and are about to place a player on the LTIR that has a $5 million contract. Given that the salary cap is $81.5 million, this would mean their ACSL is $80 million (ACSL=81.5-1.5=80). Once the team hits the $80 million mark, they will have an additional $5 million in LTIR relief. So, they can spend up to $85 million while that player is on the LTIR.“
Saw this on Capfriendly regarding the article. In theory it would give us an extra ~$3.5 mil in space a year without the cap increasing?
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GuerinUp
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So, if im reading this right and if this is true, does this mean we should be trying to aquire every ltir player right now?
ThatGuy22
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It's almost solely goaltending. Talbot is rocking an .866 in this stretch, Kappo an .878. No team, no matter how much they score can win with those numbers. In the last 10 games teams against us are scoring on 15% of their shots. Atrocious That's every shot having a chance like a it was Kaprizov shooting.
The only game that the Wild as a team played terrible was first one against Calgary.
We're averaging 3.2 Goals per game. But 4.9 Against. Goalies need to start sopping pucks.
not just stop pucks, but stop giving out juicy rebounds. I haven't been thrilled with our D zone coverage, either, or giveaways/bad decisions by our forwards, but at this point we might as well put Zane McIntyre in net.
...and then there's the PK...
...and then there's the PK...
ThatGuy22
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Rebounds have for sure been an issue, with both of them.
I'm less concerned about the giveaways/bad decisions from our forwards, as in my opinion they largely stem from them pressing and trying to make something happen, as they've gotta get 5 in the net to win with the Goaltending they are getting.
I'd rather they make good decisions 5v5 and save the riskier, creative plays for the PP, but I get your point.
The ineptitude of the special teams has me also thinking that they have a coaching problem. They've got plenty of talent for the PP, IMO, and even on the PK. It's like they are being coached to give up the line so the other teams get easy zone entries.
It seems that it isn't any one thing, but a host of them. I don't think you can coach goalies to just play better, so we are kind of stuck there. I certainly can see where our Dmen can be asked to tighten up in our own zone, but even there, slow feet, are slow feet. It's hard to coach that up.
7dayBender
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I believe once the first player is place on LTIR that is the relief you get. Once the next player is put on LTIR you would just get their cap hit back is how I am interpreting it, but the Lightning example is making me more confused...
Tampa Bay Lightning
Next up for teams that will be using the LTIR this season, we have the Tampa Bay Lightning. The Lightning will have star forward Nikita Kucherov on the LTIR this season. He will miss the full regular season due to a hip injury (although he may be back for playoffs). They will also have Marian Gaborik and Anders Nilsson on the LTIR after the trade they made with the Ottawa Senators. Kucherov has a $9.5 million salary, while Gaborik has a $4.875 million salary, and Nilsson has a salary of $2.6 million. So, all together, they have a $16.975 million cap hit. The Lightning are already using the LTIR. So, their total relief is very easy to calculate.
Calculations
The only equation that will matter for the regular season is the Training Camp Equation. So, that’s the only one I’m going to do out. Here it is:
- ACSL=$97,316,666-$16,975,000=$80,341,666. The Lightning will be able to spend up to $97,316,666 this season. They are currently spending all of that. So, they will not be able to add any more money unless they move a current roster player.
TaLoN
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Agreed. The team actually played pretty good on Sunday vs Dallas, but they couldn't get any help at all between the pipes.
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No, that wouldn't help us at all.
When a player goes on LTIR, their cap hit doesn't actually fall off from the team, the team just gets a cushion to go over the cap by exactly the amount they need to.
So math exercise:
Next year, cap ceiling of 82.5M. Let's say the Wild come in at 82.2M without Weber. That means we'd have 300k in cap space. If they then add Weber into the mix, putting him directly onto LTIR for the season, then yes, the Wild's cap ceiling would be 82.2M+7.86M. The problem, is people are under the misunderstanding that Weber's cap hit falls off, but it doesn't, it still counts against us. So all of that additional cap space above the 82.5M ceiling is already earmarked for Weber, and the entirety of the 82.2M and below cap we had prior to Weber is obviously earmarked for the players who made up that 82.2M prior to adding Weber.
Some teams (like Arizona maybe) will look to acquire LTIR contracts because, since their cap hits still count against the team, it helps them reach the cap floor. But a team like the Wild acquiring Weber, we don't gain anything from that.
LTIR only helps a team if it's one of their own players going on it. So if Dumba were to go on LTIR right now for the rest of the season, we would effectively be able to add another 6M in players to the roster for the rest of this season. But if Dumba was going to come back before the end, we would need to clear 6M to get back down to the 81.5M cap ceiling.
It's a little confusing, but the tldr is that acquiring Weber provides us with no benefit.
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7dayBender
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Just to illustrate how important it is for Fiala to not be playing on an island, he only has 1 goal in his last 6 games. Prior to the last couple of months, he might only have 1 or 2 assists with that, and we'd be saying he's on a cold streak. He has 6 assists though, for 7 points in those 6 games.
Give him real players to play with and he's a point per game player. He'd be worth every penny of a 7-7.5M contract throughout the rest of his prime years.
Give him real players to play with and he's a point per game player. He'd be worth every penny of a 7-7.5M contract throughout the rest of his prime years.
We just need the right goaltending and the right D at the right time of the year, a common problem for people who do well in the playoffs. It is kind of what happens when we go on hot streaks. No reason Kahk or Talbot can't be that guy, although I am leaning Kahks right now, he seams read for a break out.
TaLoN
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Gonna be there too. Should be fun. Hope the team plays with some extra fire that night.
TaLoN
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The game probably won't be as epic as Koivu's storybook 1000th game, but would be nice to get the win at least.
The game probably won't be as epic as Koivu's storybook 1000th game, but would be nice to get the win at least.
Hey, we'll finally have a little banner to hang alongside the replica division banner they gave us in 2008.
TaLoN
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Nice! I'll hang it up on my board at work at my desk, right next to the other replica banner!
Also, was hoping all the guys would wear #9 in warmups, was just talking about that possibility the other day, glad to hear it!
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