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57special said:
Kind of surprised that not only Duhaime, but Dewar are being shopped. I get it, from their POV. The re-signing of Zucc, Hartman, FG, and Foligno has surely blocked them from getting meaningful TOI in the future, or at least limited their opportunities. It's not easy to score when you get zero PP TOI, mainly D zone starts, and PK duties.
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Yeah, I’m a big fan of Dewar’s game & can’t imagine he would return us much in a trade. The cost to re-sign him has to be relatively cheap (<1.5M), so don’t really see the point.

Unless every prospect makes the jump next season, there should be a spot for him in the bottom 6.

Kap - Ek - Boldy
Johansson - Rossi - Zucc
Foligno - Khusnutdinov - Hartman
Ohgren - Dewar - Gaudreau

Other prospects: Heidt, Yurov

Following season, replace Johansson with Yurov, then maybe focus on a trade to move Dewar.

Those long-term extensions are really bizarre when you start to look at the long-term picture. With all of the ELCs they’ll have coming in, they’re going to have a ton of cap but nowhere to spend it.
 
57special said:
Kind of surprised that not only Duhaime, but Dewar are being shopped. I get it, from their POV. The re-signing of Zucc, Hartman, FG, and Foligno has surely blocked them from getting meaningful TOI in the future, or at least limited their opportunities. It's not easy to score when you get zero PP TOI, mainly D zone starts, and PK duties.
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We have had a bottom of the barrel PK for two years in a row, this season was historically bad for a while and they already made a coaching change. While I don’t think Dewar is primarily responsible for the underperformance, he and Duhaime are very easy scapegoats for that when they also aren’t producing anything. They are likable and competent, but they don’t move the needle much and we have a few forwards waiting in the wings.
 
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Obvious Fabertism said:
We have had a bottom of the barrel PK for two years in a row, this season was historically bad for a while and they already made a coaching change. While I don’t think Dewar is primarily responsible for the underperformance, he and Duhaime are very easy scapegoats for that when they also aren’t producing anything. They are likable and competent, but they don’t move the needle much and we have a few forwards waiting in the wings.
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It’s skewed because he’s not on PK1, but Dewar does have the lowest GA/60 among our PK forwards over the last two years.

He’s actually 5th overall in GA/60 during that period among all forwards with more than 150 mins of TOI.
 
I don't see how this organization can afford not to play certain guys that they've paid and extended on the fourth line at some point.

If you want guys like Ohgren, Khusnutdinov, Yurov and Heidt to be on this roster, one or more of Zuccarello, Hartman, Johansson, Gaudreau and Foligno have to move down at some point, money be damned.

In 2025-26, which is when we assume Yurov will come over, we could be looking at something like this:

Kaprizov-Ek-Boldy
Khusnutdinov-Rossi-Yurov
Ohgren-Hartman-Heidt?
Foligno-Gaudreau-Zuccarello
 
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AKL said:
I don't see how this organization can afford not to play certain guys that they've paid and extended on the fourth line at some point.

If you want guys like Ohgren, Khusnutdinov, Yurov and Heidt to be on this roster, one or more of Zuccarello, Hartman, Johansson, Gaudreau and Foligno have to move down at some point, money be damned.

In 2025-26, which is when we assume Yurov will come over, we could be looking at something like this:

Kaprizov-Ek-Boldy
Khusnutdinov-Rossi-Yurov
Ohgren-Hartman-Heidt?
Foligno-Gaudreau-Zuccarello
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I think you could deal Hartman at some point he has a decent contract and produces so i think he will have trade value, Foligno, Gaudreau not so much
 
AKL said:
I don't see how this organization can afford not to play certain guys that they've paid and extended on the fourth line at some point.

If you want guys like Ohgren, Khusnutdinov, Yurov and Heidt to be on this roster, one or more of Zuccarello, Hartman, Johansson, Gaudreau and Foligno have to move down at some point, money be damned.

In 2025-26, which is when we assume Yurov will come over, we could be looking at something like this:

Kaprizov-Ek-Boldy
Khusnutdinov-Rossi-Yurov
Ohgren-Hartman-Heidt?
Foligno-Gaudreau-Zuccarello
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If prospects live up to their potentials, that could be a deep roster.

Assuming all the rookies are on the max 950K ELC. They’ll have roughly $34M to sign Rossi, Faber, Wallstedt, 2LD, 3LD, 3RD, and extra skaters.

Not to mention, any of the following D prospects could be ready: Lambos, Hunt, ROR, Peart, Spacek, and Masters

It’s definitely not a problem to have too much cap space, but Guerin probably would have been better off spending that $14M on 2 higher-end forwards instead of 4 30+ year olds. I don’t see anyway we use all of the cap unless Guerin invests heavily on defense in the next two offseasons.
 
AKL said:
I don't see how this organization can afford not to play certain guys that they've paid and extended on the fourth line at some point.

If you want guys like Ohgren, Khusnutdinov, Yurov and Heidt to be on this roster, one or more of Zuccarello, Hartman, Johansson, Gaudreau and Foligno have to move down at some point, money be damned.

In 2025-26, which is when we assume Yurov will come over, we could be looking at something like this:

Kaprizov-Ek-Boldy
Khusnutdinov-Rossi-Yurov
Ohgren-Hartman-Heidt?
Foligno-Gaudreau-Zuccarello
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At some point, yes.

Expectation of it happening next year, not so much.
 
Dr Jan Itor said:
At some point, yes.

Expectation of it happening next year, not so much.
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If it's going to have to happen, next year should be as good as any year if the prospects can actually make the jump.

My point wasn't that you should be looking for ways to get them on the fourth line, but that it shouldn't be something that's prohibitive. If a prospect or two makes the jump next season, the money and the extensions shouldn't be reasons Foligno, Gaudreau or Johansson play over them.
 
AKL said:
If it's going to have to happen, next year should be as good as any year if the prospects can actually make the jump.

My point wasn't that you should be looking for ways to get them on the fourth line, but that it shouldn't be something that's prohibitive. If a prospect or two makes the jump next season, the money and the extensions shouldn't be reasons Foligno, Gaudreau or Johansson play over them.
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I think at least 2 of those guys being fine in their middle 6 roles will probably prohibit it, and also the the team not looking to put 3-4 rookies forwards into the lineup all at once.
 
Spurgeon said:
If prospects live up to their potentials, that could be a deep roster.

Assuming all the rookies are on the max 950K ELC. They’ll have roughly $34M to sign Rossi, Faber, Wallstedt, 2LD, 3LD, 3RD, and extra skaters.

Not to mention, any of the following D prospects could be ready: Lambos, Hunt, ROR, Peart, Spacek, and Masters

It’s definitely not a problem to have too much cap space, but Guerin probably would have been better off spending that $14M on 2 higher-end forwards instead of 4 30+ year olds. I don’t see anyway we use all of the cap unless Guerin invests heavily on defense in the next two offseasons.
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I don't feel like Guerin really has a plan. I think he's just winging each move on its own and hoping things come together at some point. Maybe at some point he will go shopping for another top six forward or top four defenseman, but I think it'll be in more of a reactive way like it was when he extended Gaudreau for five years, or drafted Stramel, because Rossi struggled last year.
 
Dr Jan Itor said:
I think at least 2 of those guys being fine in their middle 6 roles will probably prohibit it, and also the the team not looking to put 3-4 rookies forwards into the lineup all at once.
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Maybe
 
Obvious Fabertism said:
We have had a bottom of the barrel PK for two years in a row, this season was historically bad for a while and they already made a coaching change. While I don’t think Dewar is primarily responsible for the underperformance, he and Duhaime are very easy scapegoats for that when they also aren’t producing anything. They are likable and competent, but they don’t move the needle much and we have a few forwards waiting in the wings.
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Which forwards? There was hope for Milne after last year, but he has done nothing down in Iowa, partly due to injuries. Beckman is not a checking forward, nor is Walker. Seems that Hynes likes Letierri and Luchini - two guys with zero upside, and not able to deliver the physicality of a guy like Duhaime.

Gaudreau, Foligno(also PK'ers), and Maroon continue to get PP TOI w/o earning it, as far as i can see. Again, the problem to me comes back to BG investing in aging, declining, forwards. I am not saying that Dewar is the answer to anything, but he hasn't gotten much of a chance to do anything, is dirt cheap, and is more likely to improve, while the players Guerin re-signed(for significantly more) are going to decline/get injured over the next 3-5 years.
 
57special said:
Which forwards? There was hope for Milne after last year, but he has done nothing down in Iowa, partly due to injuries. Beckman is not a checking forward, nor is Walker. Seems that Hynes likes Letierri and Luchini - two guys with zero upside, and not able to deliver the physicality of a guy like Duhaime.

Gaudreau, Foligno(also PK'ers), and Maroon continue to get PP TOI w/o earning it, as far as i can see. Again, the problem to me comes back to BG investing in aging, declining, forwards. I am not saying that Dewar is the answer to anything, but he hasn't gotten much of a chance to do anything, is dirt cheap, and is more likely to improve, while the players Guerin re-signed(for significantly more) are going to decline/get injured over the next 3-5 years.
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They would rather bounce Foligno out there that let Dewar even sniff 20 seconds on PP2. I have a hard time thinking his decision making would be worse.
 
I guess trading Dewar makes sense if that role is going to be given to Marat, probably too early to waive Gaudreau as that would be a red flag to ownership with 8M+ remaining on his deal. Dewar is a better 4th liner than Gaudreau but he is movable whereas Freddy might not be. We know there will be a 225+ lb plug on the 22 next year, so if Marat is taking Dewar's spot we're at 11/13 forwards without Ohgren/Shaw/Lettieri, if Bogo's extended its unlikely we see another D add so there's room for a better forward than Dewar.

Gifting Marat that spot isn't really something I would expect from Guerin but that's about the only reason I can see moving on from a fine 4C who can be retained for ~1M on a 1-year deal. Seems like a draft day move more than a deadline move though.
 
63firebird said:
Once unwelded they can lose the ________ bicycle built for two TV ad also.;)
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Nah...Kirill loves his dad



Hynes said they could play together again 5v5, but right now things work well. I guess this means Boldy is on a short leash, the coach could do a swap if his production drops.
 
Webster said:
Nah...Kirill loves his dad



Hynes said they could play together again 5v5, but right now things work well. I guess this means Boldy is on a short leash, the coach could do a swap if his production drops.
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the mental gymnastics on display here are genuinely impressive
 
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Webster said:
Nah...Kirill loves his dad



Hynes said they could play together again 5v5, but right now things work well. I guess this means Boldy is on a short leash, the coach could do a swap if his production drops.
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Yeah, because if any player deserves to be on a shirt leash, it's Boldy. His leash should be longer than Zucc and Kap's combined.
 
Webster said:
Hynes said they could play together again 5v5, but right now things work well. I guess this means Boldy is on a short leash, the coach could do a swap if his production drops.
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Even strength points this month...

Boldy 10
Zucc 3

PP points this month
Boldy 4
Zuck 8

Pretty sure there's nothing short about Boldy's leash on the top line. He's making things happen on the top line along with Kap. You're boy has his visitation rights on the PP, that's all he needs at this point.
 
TaLoN said:
Even strength points this month...

Boldy 10
Zucc 3

PP points this month
Boldy 4
Zuck 8

Pretty sure there's nothing short about Boldy's leash on the top line. He's making things happen on the top line along with Kap. You're boy has his visitation rights on the PP, that's all he needs at this point.
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I'm just saying what Hynes said. Kap & Zucc were the most dynamic duo in the league last week, points picked up together. So I understand why reporters asked about this.
 
Webster said:
I'm just saying what Hynes said. Kap & Zucc were the most dynamic duo in the league last week, points picked up together. So I understand why reporters asked about this.
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PP duo....
They haven't worked well together at even strength in a long time. You are adding your own mental gymnastics thinking that Boldy is on a short leash.

Saying they will be together 5v5 again at some point could just mean more double shifting of Kap on the 2nd line from time to time for all we know.
 
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