Minnesota Wild General Discussion - 2023-24

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Random thought but wouldn’t Rakell be a decent trade target if PIT blows things up? He’s prob a 50 point player in a vacuum. But we could use another scoring piece and you like that he is a RHS. Contract is $5M for another few years.
$5M for 4 more years is too much term. Team is going to have enough money to go after higher-end UFAs in the next couple off seasons, but they’ll quickly lose that ability if they continue to acquire 30+ year olds on $4-5M deals.
 
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Why would you guarantee ice time to someone that's never played NA hockey? That's pretty foolish.

He comes over. Doesn't adjust to the play quickly but we have to keep him with the big club because he was guaranteed ice. You don't see a problem with that? At all?
I didn’t exactly enjoy the 6 years it took to get Kaprizov over here.

Just play him on the 4th line with a couple of pasta noodles. Seems to be the protocol for rookies here.
 
Some line tweaks @ practice today

Kaprizov-Eriksson Ek-Boldy
Johansson-Hartman-Zuccarello
Lucchini-Rossi-Lettieri
Duhaime-Dewar-Gaudreau

Middleton-Faber
Brodin-Chisholm
Mermis-Merrill

Bogosian injured, week to week.
 
Going into this year, I would have called you a damn liar if you told me Lucchini and Lettieri would both be playing 3rd line for the MN Wild this year.
 
People are going to be mad at Rossi playing with the 4th line guys, but I like it for an experiment. The two Ls have been playing well lately and getting nice zone entries, this feels like a line that could unlock some scoring in all of them. At least gets us a better look at what they can do with a bit of talent and determine if they are worthy roster spot replacements.

Like the top 4, hope Hynes keeps the bottom pair on the bench all game.
 
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Going into this year, I would have called you a damn liar if you told me Lucchini and Lettieri would both be playing 3rd line for the MN Wild this year.

They're not playing third line minutes. They had the least minutes of forwards last game, Rossi included, by a significant margin.
 
Some line tweaks @ practice today

Kaprizov-Eriksson Ek-Boldy
Johansson-Hartman-Zuccarello
Lucchini-Rossi-Lettieri
Duhaime-Dewar-Gaudreau

Middleton-Faber
Brodin-Chisholm
Mermis-Merrill

Bogosian injured, week to week.

And the Madness keeps going. Please give me a reasonable explanation, why you bury your arguably best 5vs5 scorer & 2nd best Rookie forward in the league on the fourth line, playing with scrubs?

And please don't tell me they're double shifting Rossi, because:

They're not playing third line minutes. They had the least minutes of forwards last game, Rossi included, by a significant margin.

Why would you limit the even strength minutes of Rossi? I just don't get it. The handling of Rossi is and has been beyond crazy and this is the second coach in a row who is f***ing it up badly. It seems like they'te trying hard to make him fail. Normally you try everything to help your future top 6 center to be successful and to develope properly. The exact opposite is happening.

The fact that even strength turnover machine Zucc and Johannson are getting rewarded with top 6 roles is just ridiculous.
 
Russo tweet:

"Hynes raved about Marco Rossi’s play of late and loves the play of the Lucchini-Rossi-Lettieri line, calling them their second-most productive line and they’re “quick, fast and tenacious.” Reality is without big Maroon/Foligno, they’re trying to create identities with other lines"

Wish you folks could just calm down about pretty much everything but i know you wont lol.
 
Why would you limit the even strength minutes of Rossi? I just don't get it. The handling of Rossi is and has been beyond crazy and this is the second coach in a row who is f***ing it up badly. It seems like they'te trying hard to make him fail. Normally you try everything to help your future top 6 center to be successful and to develope properly. The exact opposite is happening.

Yeah I don't really understand his usage or the general deployment of the lines. I understand good players are in short supply on this roster, but that seems like all the more reason to not bury your fourth best forward on the fourth line. As I said previously, Zuccarello and Johansson are begging to be deployed in a 4th line role at even strength, yet they're getting catered to in the hopes they can stop sucking. Rossi isn't sucking so he's the odd man out?

Funny enough, when Rossi wasn't doing well, the solution was to put him on the fourth line until he worked his way back up. That's not strategy being used for anyone else on the roster. Incompetence? A form of nepotism? Guerin and his coaches have no idea how to use Rossi? A mix of all of that? Not sure.

Russo tweet:

"Hynes raved about Marco Rossi’s play of late and loves the play of the Lucchini-Rossi-Lettieri line, calling them their second-most productive line and they’re “quick, fast and tenacious.” Reality is without big Maroon/Foligno, they’re trying to create identities with other lines"

Wish you folks could just calm down about pretty much everything but i know you wont lol.

Slop it up. Hynes is still misusing and underplaying one of his better forwards. You really think putting him with career AHLers is supposed to be a benefit for Rossi? Get real here. You can find new identities with lines and still use Rossi correctly.

Otherwise, hey, we need to shake things up, let's see how Boldy looks with Duhaime and Dewar?

To this day, the weirdest and worst take of all time on these boards is that people who are discussing hockey on a hockey discussion forum need to "calm down" as if giving valid criticism means they're worked up.
 
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I’m not sure Rossi playing with Johansson and Zucc is that much better.

When is Foligno back?

I think Hartman is the answer. Still have to play with one of Zuccarello or Johansson, but not both. Dewar and Gaudreau play third and fourth line center, respectively.
 
I think Hartman is the answer. Still have to play with one of Zuccarello or Johansson, but not both. Dewar and Gaudreau play third and fourth line center, respectively.
I’d want to try Foligno-Rossi-Hartman

Yeah, yeah, yeah why Foligno… I get it. But I also think that Rossi’s game needs a couple of guys that can win puck possession battles in the offensive zone. Zucc and Johansson are just not that.
 
I’d want to try Foligno-Rossi-Hartman

Yeah, yeah, yeah why Foligno… I get it. But I also think that Rossi’s game needs a couple of guys that can win puck possession battles in the offensive zone. Zucc and Johansson are just not that.

I'm good with Foligno at this point if it's not going to be Kaprizov or Boldy. Johansson and Zuccarello just aren't it. They don't battle and they don't really go to the net. Rossi would benefit from guys who do that.


It'll be interesting to me to see what they do with Khusnutdinov if he comes over in a few weeks. I imagine he'll start in the bottom six, but I wonder how long it'll take Hynes to even dress him, and if he'll see any special teams time or time with different linemates to see where he fits. I guess it'll depend on how certain lines are doing at the time.
 
Kind of hoping we’re in the market for Hanifin. Not so much for this year, but he’s the perfect age for being a core component of our Top 4 for the next 7-8 years.

Can’t part with our 1st though, so not sure what else we could offer. Lambos + 2nd? Obviously could just wait till FA, but I feel like he’s re-signing wherever he’s traded.
 
I'm good with Foligno at this point if it's not going to be Kaprizov or Boldy. Johansson and Zuccarello just aren't it. They don't battle and they don't really go to the net. Rossi would benefit from guys who do that.


It'll be interesting to me to see what they do with Khusnutdinov if he comes over in a few weeks. I imagine he'll start in the bottom six, but I wonder how long it'll take Hynes to even dress him, and if he'll see any special teams time or time with different linemates to see where he fits. I guess it'll depend on how certain lines are doing at the time.
Trying to rattle that off in my head as well. Based on the current lines, I would guess:

Kap-Ek Father-Boldy
Zucc-Hartman-Johansson
Foligno-Rossi-Khusnutdinov
Duhaime-Dewar-Lettieri
Gaudreau
 
Trying to rattle that off in my head as well. Based on the current lines, I would guess:

Kap-Ek Father-Boldy
Zucc-Hartman-Johansson
Foligno-Rossi-Khusnutdinov
Duhaime-Dewar-Lettieri
Gaudreau

I would like this. I'd wonder if Hynes would want two rookies together though. My guess is

Kaprizov-El Padre-Boldy
Zuccarello-Hartman-Johansson
Foligno-Rossi-Gaudreau
Duhaime-Dewar-Khusnutdinov
Lettieri


I think if I were the coach I might try something like this

Kaprizov-Ek-Boldy
Zuccarello/Johansson-Rossi-Hartman
Foligno-Dewar-Khusnutdinov
Duhaime-Gaudreau-Zuccarello/Johansson
Lettieri
 
Slop it up. Hynes is still misusing and underplaying one of his better forwards. You really think putting him with career AHLers is supposed to be a benefit for Rossi? Get real here. You can find new identities with lines and still use Rossi correctly.
Yeah im a piggy sloppin up whatever they say. Lovely imagery lol.

As you suggest, lets get real here. You and I are anon jokers who have no meaningful experience so probably deferring to the judgement of people whove been doing this all their lives at the highest level isnt a crazy idea. Most of you jokers dont even put any effort into considering how the decisions being made could be valid, you just make a psycho assumption that they hate young or skilled players for some reason.

And what are we even talking about here? Hynes changed the lines and marco scored 3 goals in 2 games? But hes played like 3 or 4 less minutes so obviously hes sabotaging rossi? As if rossi scoring points or being set up a certain way to have offensive success is supposed to be the primary concern of the coach, as opposed to covering up the gaping blackhole in his bottom 6 so they can win games?

Idk why i bother arguing. Its not like those of you that have predetermined opinions about guerin/hynes are really open to contradicting facts anyway. They just hate young skilled guys thats all there is to it. Makes perfect sense. Ill just keep quiet and nod my head lol
 
Yeah im a piggy sloppin up whatever they say. Lovely imagery lol.

As you suggest, lets get real here. You and I are anon jokers who have no meaningful experience so probably deferring to the judgement of people whove been doing this all their lives at the highest level isnt a crazy idea. Most of you jokers dont even put any effort into considering how the decisions being made could be valid, you just make a psycho assumption that they hate young or skilled players for some reason.

And what are we even talking about here? Hynes changed the lines and marco scored 3 goals in 2 games? But hes played like 3 or 4 less minutes so obviously hes sabotaging rossi? As if rossi scoring points or being set up a certain way to have offensive success is supposed to be the primary concern of the coach, as opposed to covering up the gaping blackhole in his bottom 6 so they can win games?

Idk why i bother arguing. Its not like those of you that have predetermined opinions about guerin/hynes are really open to contradicting facts anyway. They just hate young skilled guys thats all there is to it. Makes perfect sense. Ill just keep quiet and nod my head lol

I'm always open to contradicting opinions if they make sense. Praising Rossi's play and then sticking him with two career AHL players, and then trying to defend it as a good move because you're "trying to create identities with other lines", and then justifying it by saying he scored 3 goals in 2 games (2 of those were playing with top six players, one on the PP where Lucchini and Lettieri weren't on the ice), is just not a logical or rational train of thought. It's eating up the company line because [appeal to authority].

But the overarching point is maybe try posting some good talking points of your own instead of being one of those guys on here that points to what the coach says and tells everyone else sharing their own opinions to "calm down" or "get over it" or "move on" or "blindly agree with the people who have been doing this their whole lives without questioning or criticizing the reason behind it on a website where the sole purpose is to discuss stuff like this".
 
I'm always open to contradicting opinions if they make sense. Praising Rossi's play and then sticking him with two career AHL players, and then trying to defend it as a good move because you're "trying to create identities with other lines", and then justifying it by saying he scored 3 goals in 2 games (2 of those were playing with top six players, one on the PP where Lucchini and Lettieri weren't on the ice), is just not a logical or rational train of thought. It's eating up the corporate line because [appeal to authority].

But the overarching point is maybe try posting some good talking points of your own instead of being one of those guys on here that points to what the coach says and tells everyone else sharing their own opinions to "calm down" or "get over it" or "move on" or "blindly agree with the people who have been doing this their whole lives without questioning or criticizing the reason behind it on a website where the sole purpose is to discuss stuff like this".
Hey guy. If you look back i posted legit basically what hynes has said like a day before he said it. (That the rossi move wasnt about rossi but to fix the other lines)
 
Hey guy. If you look back i posted legit basically what hynes has said like a day before he said it. (That the rossi move wasnt about rossi but to fix the other lines)

The conversation was about whether moving Rossi down and limiting his minutes is a good way to accomplish that. Posting a quote from Hynes stating that he did that and then saying "I wish you would all calm down about everything but I know you won't lol" doesn't address the conversation that was being had, it doesn't make him above criticism or questioning, and at a certain point, it's just a snarky comment where you're trying to police the way people discuss things that you could simply just ignore.

Again, I'll reiterate, you can shuffle lines to try to get other lines or players going without burying one of your better offensive forwards on the fourth line with career AHL players.
 
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I'm always open to contradicting opinions if they make sense. Praising Rossi's play and then sticking him with two career AHL players, and then trying to defend it as a good move because you're "trying to create identities with other lines", and then justifying it by saying he scored 3 goals in 2 games (2 of those were playing with top six players, one on the PP where Lucchini and Lettieri weren't on the ice), is just not a logical or rational train of thought. It's eating up the company line because [appeal to authority].

But the overarching point is maybe try posting some good talking points of your own instead of being one of those guys on here that points to what the coach says and tells everyone else sharing their own opinions to "calm down" or "get over it" or "move on" or "blindly agree with the people who have been doing this their whole lives without questioning or criticizing the reason behind it on a website where the sole purpose is to discuss stuff like this".
He's supposedly praised, yet still thrown together with 2 AHLer's......all while our "PP Specialist" can sit nice and happy on the second line no matter how weak he is 5 on 5.
 
Random thought but wouldn’t Rakell be a decent trade target if PIT blows things up? He’s prob a 50 point player in a vacuum. But we could use another scoring piece and you like that he is a RHS. Contract is $5M for another few years.
Why would we want to take on that contract rather than trading for a rental? Rakell isn't worth 5M imo
 
Hey guy. If you look back i posted legit basically what hynes has said like a day before he said it. (That the rossi move wasnt about rossi but to fix the other lines)
Handling of Rossi... when he's clearly one of the team's top 5v5 players matters, because he is a rookie. He's out playing the entire 2nd line. Why does the 2nd line get these minutes vs Rossi?
 
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